Samson True Duals left side heat?..Deluxe
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Samson True Duals left side heat?..Deluxe
Any one else with Samson Trueduals having a heat problem on the left side? Getting burned on bottom of my leg on long rides.
If not, did you have your seat modified (shaved on the sides especially)?
I'm trying to work out a fix for it...Thanks.
If not, did you have your seat modified (shaved on the sides especially)?
I'm trying to work out a fix for it...Thanks.
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RE: Samson True Duals left side heat?..Deluxe
My 06 cooked me until I did the SERT, high flow air cleaner and pipes. I do not have duals but the bike does not run hot anymore. I did the Stage 1 map and then richened it up some. If you are running a basic Stage 1 download you are probably still lean which makes the bike run hot. The Stage 1 maps are on the lean side. If your map was for shotgun exhaust, that could be a problem too. The dual exhaust bikes have different maps. Either way, I would suggest checking into the map.
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My 06 cooked me until I did the SERT, high flow air cleaner and pipes. I do not have duals but the bike does not run hot anymore. I did the Stage 1 map and then richened it up some. If you are running a basic Stage 1 download you are probably still lean which makes the bike run hot. The Stage 1 maps are on the lean side. If your map was for shotgun exhaust, that could be a problem too. The dual exhaust bikes have different maps. Either way, I would suggest checking into the map.
My 06 cooked me until I did the SERT, high flow air cleaner and pipes. I do not have duals but the bike does not run hot anymore. I did the Stage 1 map and then richened it up some. If you are running a basic Stage 1 download you are probably still lean which makes the bike run hot. The Stage 1 maps are on the lean side. If your map was for shotgun exhaust, that could be a problem too. The dual exhaust bikes have different maps. Either way, I would suggest checking into the map.
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RE: Samson True Duals left side heat?..Deluxe
I think that would be great for riding in the winter up here in Portland. But in S. Cal, not so hot. I wonder if you can take an old heat shield off another set of pipes and put one on the backside of that pipe? That is quite a curve on the left side so you may need to give the mfg a call to see if they have a fix for your problem.
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RE: Samson True Duals left side heat?..Deluxe
Blue,
What about wrapping the pipe with thermal insulation (exhaust wrap) then putting the heat shield on top of it. It would have to be a pretty thin wrap because that heat shield is pretty tight on the pipe.
Just a thought that I might have to try myself.
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What about wrapping the pipe with thermal insulation (exhaust wrap) then putting the heat shield on top of it. It would have to be a pretty thin wrap because that heat shield is pretty tight on the pipe.
Just a thought that I might have to try myself.
V/r
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The pipe wrap is a good idea...that wrap works suprisingly well. I think the wrap might just hide the root of the problem.
My guess is you are still lean with just a Stage 1 map and therefore running hotter than necessary or what is good for your engine. If you haven't had it on a dyno, you might be surprised at what happens under load. I have seen some dyno charts where the A/F goes from 14:1 to up over 15:1. The maps are designed for SE pipes which have more back pressure and are more restrictive than most aftermarket pipes. The ECM cannot make any adjustments to the A/F beyond the designed amount of fuel the map tells it to inject. The A/F table is a theoretical number but the ECM cannot make any measures of actual values. I had a Night Train with no heat sheilds on the pipes (Bassani Pro Streets) and the bike was built with over 10:1 compression and it was still comfortable to ride.I could even sit in traffic.But the A/F was dyno tuned and correct.
My guess is you are still lean with just a Stage 1 map and therefore running hotter than necessary or what is good for your engine. If you haven't had it on a dyno, you might be surprised at what happens under load. I have seen some dyno charts where the A/F goes from 14:1 to up over 15:1. The maps are designed for SE pipes which have more back pressure and are more restrictive than most aftermarket pipes. The ECM cannot make any adjustments to the A/F beyond the designed amount of fuel the map tells it to inject. The A/F table is a theoretical number but the ECM cannot make any measures of actual values. I had a Night Train with no heat sheilds on the pipes (Bassani Pro Streets) and the bike was built with over 10:1 compression and it was still comfortable to ride.I could even sit in traffic.But the A/F was dyno tuned and correct.
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I've contacted Samson...let's see what they say about it.
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ORIGINAL: Bluerose
I've contacted Samson...let's see what they say about it.
I've contacted Samson...let's see what they say about it.
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RE: Samson True Duals left side heat?..Deluxe
ORIGINAL: SMSgt B
Definately let us know what they say. Not sure if you are running PCIII, but I am still waiting for maps of Samson pipes. If I get a custom map done, I have no problem sharing with folks.
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ORIGINAL: Bluerose
I've contacted Samson...let's see what they say about it.
I've contacted Samson...let's see what they say about it.
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I'll definately keep you up to date.
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RE: Samson True Duals left side heat?..Deluxe
Try www.fuelmotousa.com they may have a map for the Samson true duals. Bluerose, ignore my comments under general HD. I was reading there before reading here about your pipe heat problems. I have the same setup but don't really notice it unless sitting in traffic.
There is a company out there that makes heat reflectors that mount under your seat, I think it's the one that is advertised on this website. A buddy has some on his Ultra and they are not real obvious unless you're looking directly at them. He says they make a huge difference just in the amount of heat that is reflected away.
There is a company out there that makes heat reflectors that mount under your seat, I think it's the one that is advertised on this website. A buddy has some on his Ultra and they are not real obvious unless you're looking directly at them. He says they make a huge difference just in the amount of heat that is reflected away.