Softail Slim - need wiring help...
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03-14-2013, 08:59 PM
#23
03-20-2013, 07:59 PM
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Yes they do. All I had to do was plug them in, and attach a small "CAN Bus adapter" between the brake circuit and ground.
It's a small resistor with about 4" of lead wire, and [2] tap slices already attached - no tools necessary to install this.
Apparently without it, the load from the LED's is so low, the bike thinks a lamp is burned out.
And you only need the one, you can attach it to either side - it doesn't matter which just as long as the bike sees it.
Another little anomaly - on the Custom Dynamic page:
http://www.customdynamics.com/harley...gnal_retro.htm
there are two notes:
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"(2011 - 2013 Softails & 2012-2013 Dyna with Canbus do not require a Load Equalizer, Turn Signals will flash at proper rate, however indicator light on dash will flash faster than normal when both front and rear turns signals are converted to LEDs)
2011-2013 Softail Blacklline and 2012-2013 Softail Slim require Part Can-Adapter when converting rear turn signals to LEDs."
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When I first installed mine (all four), the dash indicator did indeed flash faster than the blinkers, about twice as fast, but only for the first test cycle.
Since then it's been blinking at the proper rate.
Secondly, the turns normally flashed in sync, both front & back flashed on-off together.
But now, for reasons I can't explain, they alternate (front-back, front-back)
The four-ways function normally...
For the Slim, I bought the C.D. part number "GEN200-KIT-CAN", plus the one Can-Bus adapter (about $5 more)...
It's a small resistor with about 4" of lead wire, and [2] tap slices already attached - no tools necessary to install this.
Apparently without it, the load from the LED's is so low, the bike thinks a lamp is burned out.
And you only need the one, you can attach it to either side - it doesn't matter which just as long as the bike sees it.
Another little anomaly - on the Custom Dynamic page:
http://www.customdynamics.com/harley...gnal_retro.htm
there are two notes:
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"(2011 - 2013 Softails & 2012-2013 Dyna with Canbus do not require a Load Equalizer, Turn Signals will flash at proper rate, however indicator light on dash will flash faster than normal when both front and rear turns signals are converted to LEDs)
2011-2013 Softail Blacklline and 2012-2013 Softail Slim require Part Can-Adapter when converting rear turn signals to LEDs."
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When I first installed mine (all four), the dash indicator did indeed flash faster than the blinkers, about twice as fast, but only for the first test cycle.
Since then it's been blinking at the proper rate.
Secondly, the turns normally flashed in sync, both front & back flashed on-off together.
But now, for reasons I can't explain, they alternate (front-back, front-back)
The four-ways function normally...
For the Slim, I bought the C.D. part number "GEN200-KIT-CAN", plus the one Can-Bus adapter (about $5 more)...
turnsignal kit tonight. The CD stoplight bar is a project for this weekend...
The CAN-adapter came with the "kit", I didn't have to purchase one separately.
I've installed it on the left side (black) male connector's red-black wires
as instructed, but the dash indicators still flash double-speed. I'm not sure
what the issue is yet. The blinkers flash fine. Guess I need to see if there
are any codes stored - maybe I didn't get a good connection with those
Posi-Tap connectors?
Thanks for any insight or comments,
T.
#24
03-21-2013, 09:19 AM
Thanks again Jam! I installed a Slim handlebar riser and the Custom Dynamics
turnsignal kit tonight. The CD stoplight bar is a project for this weekend...
The CAN-adapter came with the "kit", I didn't have to purchase one separately.
I've installed it on the left side (black) male connector's red-black wires
as instructed, but the dash indicators still flash double-speed. I'm not sure
what the issue is yet. The blinkers flash fine. Guess I need to see if there
are any codes stored - maybe I didn't get a good connection with those
Posi-Tap connectors?
Thanks for any insight or comments,
T.
turnsignal kit tonight. The CD stoplight bar is a project for this weekend...
The CAN-adapter came with the "kit", I didn't have to purchase one separately.
I've installed it on the left side (black) male connector's red-black wires
as instructed, but the dash indicators still flash double-speed. I'm not sure
what the issue is yet. The blinkers flash fine. Guess I need to see if there
are any codes stored - maybe I didn't get a good connection with those
Posi-Tap connectors?
Thanks for any insight or comments,
T.
The brake circuit you need to attach the can-bus adapter to is located on the female side of the plug - the one leading up into the wiring harness. This female plug has four wires going into it.
The male side of the plug, leading into your fender, only has three wires since the Slim doesn't have a dedicated center brake light like other softails.
This "extra" 4th wire, on the harness side, is your dedicated brake circuit.
If you tapped onto the brake wire on the male side, it blinks with the turns - you don't want that one.
You can pick up a ground anywhere, I used the black wire on the male side...
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EDIT: Here, let's try this (forgive the cartoonish crayon drawings)...
This is the wiring for the "can-bus adapter" that came with your GEN200-KIT-CAN turn signal kit.
It doesn't matter which brake light plug you attach it to (left or right):
This is the wiring for the Custom Dynamics LED light bar (run/brake ONLY):
You DO NOT want to tap into the RED Brake & Turn wire on the male side for your brake light, because if you do, your brake light will flash with the turn signals...!
Bear in mind, that if you go with a fancier Custom Dynamics brake light, like one with integrated turns, or flashing effects, you'll need a special C.D. controller for those extra functions...
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03-22-2013, 04:32 PM
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#26
03-22-2013, 05:11 PM
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wow, jam. you are really stepping up with the wiring info. Thanks man.
The Custom Dynamics LED I have been meaning to install for the longest on my Slim is a tru flex with run/break/turn. They recommend I use dual converters for the install. I'm still trying to work with them on exactly where I make connections, but your diagram will help a ton.
Thanks again!
The Custom Dynamics LED I have been meaning to install for the longest on my Slim is a tru flex with run/break/turn. They recommend I use dual converters for the install. I'm still trying to work with them on exactly where I make connections, but your diagram will help a ton.
Thanks again!
#27
03-22-2013, 06:51 PM
I know because while installing mine, I got impatient and wanted to see what they looked like, so after installing the LED's I turned the ignition on and they worked just fine.
What I didn't know at the time, was that the BCM threw a code as a result - I don't recall the exact code, but it was the one for "low amperage" - aka "burned out turn signal lamp".
The thing is, the load from the LED's is so low, the bike thinks you have a lamp out. The can-bus adapter is just a resistor, that adds "load" to the circuit.
Once I installed the adapter, I was able to clear the code and it hasn't returned. You might want to check yours:
Hold down "TRIP", then turn on the ignition - you'll enter "diagnostics" mode...
(All the speedo lights will light, the needle will peg to the right, then drop back down)
Toggle "trip" to cycle through the codes, if any...
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03-22-2013, 08:22 PM
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thanks!
Jam,
Just ran the diagnostic mode and come up with these codes,
D1AG
ECM N- None
8CM Y - b2121 b2151 b2156
SPDO N- None
Not really sure what those mean....its greek to me.
Still not 100% sure where i need to install the Can Bus adapter. CD sent me a picture of the area but the wire colors dont seem to match...pretty sure its not a slim.
Would it be too much trouble to get a pic of yours?? I really appreciate your help ... You really know your stuff.!
Thanks.
Just ran the diagnostic mode and come up with these codes,
D1AG
ECM N- None
8CM Y - b2121 b2151 b2156
SPDO N- None
Not really sure what those mean....its greek to me.
Still not 100% sure where i need to install the Can Bus adapter. CD sent me a picture of the area but the wire colors dont seem to match...pretty sure its not a slim.
Would it be too much trouble to get a pic of yours?? I really appreciate your help ... You really know your stuff.!
Thanks.
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#29
03-22-2013, 09:16 PM
Jam,
Just ran the diagnostic mode and come up with these codes,
D1AG
ECM N
8CM Y
SPDO N
Not really sure what those mean....its greek to me.
Still not 100% sure where i need to install the Can Bus adapter. CD sent me a picture of the area but the wire colors dont seem to match...pretty sure its not a slim.
Would it be too much trouble to get a pic of yours?? I really appreciate your help so far.! You seem to got all the answers..
Thanks.
Just ran the diagnostic mode and come up with these codes,
D1AG
ECM N
8CM Y
SPDO N
Not really sure what those mean....its greek to me.
Still not 100% sure where i need to install the Can Bus adapter. CD sent me a picture of the area but the wire colors dont seem to match...pretty sure its not a slim.
Would it be too much trouble to get a pic of yours?? I really appreciate your help so far.! You seem to got all the answers..
Thanks.
The 2nd entry isn't "8CM", although it looks that way, it's actually "BCM"
"N" means "normal" or "no codes", I forget which...
a "Y" means you have a code for that module.
I believe that whenever you toggle to "BCM Y" - you can then hold down trip again to cycle through that module's codes...
It should give you an alphanumeric display of some kind. Write that number down and look it up.
Alternately, if you press and hold trip on a clear module, say, "ECM N", it will simply display "NONE".
..and somewhere in those menus is an option to "Clear" codes - can't quite recall where that is at the moment...
ECM = Electronic Control Module
BCM = Body Control Module
Hope this helps.
Regardless, you DO have a BCM code - I'll bet it's for a burned out lamp...
..and by all means, invest in a service manual, and a good 12v tester...!
#30
03-22-2013, 09:42 PM
(and I think those are NOT "b's", but rather "6's")
I'm looking for (and can't seem to find) the online source I found earlier that deciphered them, but I'm 100% sure I had that last one - I just found my crumpled note from last week with 62156 on it, in my garage waste bin...
Install your can-bus adapter...
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