Stage #1 Troubles
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From: Rapid City SD
sorry my fat fingers forgot to type NOT. DYNO and REMAP is NOT bad it will def make your sled run at its max....it is not per-say necessary for new model bikes. Thanks Mustang125 for pointing that out. I dont want to relay bad info
Last edited by Wardog86; Mar 21, 2013 at 11:30 AM.
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From: 40 miles Northeast of Indy..
From what I read in Ur OP.. U said Pipes but U only put on a SE A/F.. not the SE HF A/C..
So Ur just like all the other hundreds that have asked,, "Do I need a tuner If I only do pipes...
So to answer that,, NO Ur dont need a down load or tuner...
BUT,,, still U'll EPA lean
Now in Ur Second post in this thread.. U said..
i just want my bike to run as good as it can with minimizing heat in the pipes.
If U really want to have Ur bike to run as good as it can and minimize the head..
Then IMO U'll need to go ahead and go with a H/P - A/C and some Cams, then get a good F/M tuner and a good dyno.
Then U'll have what Ur wanting..
But, That will cost some Coin, $$$...
And in the end, believe me,, U'll love it.
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So Ur just like all the other hundreds that have asked,, "Do I need a tuner If I only do pipes...
So to answer that,, NO Ur dont need a down load or tuner...
BUT,,, still U'll EPA lean
Now in Ur Second post in this thread.. U said..
i just want my bike to run as good as it can with minimizing heat in the pipes.
If U really want to have Ur bike to run as good as it can and minimize the head..
Then IMO U'll need to go ahead and go with a H/P - A/C and some Cams, then get a good F/M tuner and a good dyno.
Then U'll have what Ur wanting..
But, That will cost some Coin, $$$...
And in the end, believe me,, U'll love it.
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From: san antonio, texas
The only problem from what I've heard with the download at the dealer is it is not specific to your scoot and you'll still run lean. Cheapest option I can think of is a fuel- pak! Lots of opinions on them both ways, however I have it installed and love it! I was like you and just wanted my bike running correctly! Good luck and thanks for your service!
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From: Omaha, Nebraska
used ied's on 3 of my bikes, ran fine...don't believe it's worth chasing a couple of HP. with a 250-600.00 dollar tuner, that's just me..BTW I"ve never heard of ANYONE melting down a Harley by putting a stage one on and no enrichment done to it.
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From: Los Angeles
Intalled FL XiEDs on my Slim late last week, along with an SS Stealth air cleaner. Couldn't be happier.
Rode two up with my gal this weekend, and before the XiEDs I could detect a slight slow down with a passenger, even though she's only a 125 or so.
With em, it was like she wasn't even back there. Rode to work today, and 6th gear was a freggin dream. The bike was a lil bored because it was doing 80 with no sweat.
Bike is idling between 970 and 1020. And running cooler.
Rode two up with my gal this weekend, and before the XiEDs I could detect a slight slow down with a passenger, even though she's only a 125 or so.
With em, it was like she wasn't even back there. Rode to work today, and 6th gear was a freggin dream. The bike was a lil bored because it was doing 80 with no sweat.
Bike is idling between 970 and 1020. And running cooler.
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From: SW FL-Jersey Shore Emigre
Apparently the stage I download recognizes the increased airflow from the hardware mods, and increases the amount of fuel delivered to the cylinders. Problem is, to comply with emission standards, the AFR remains a lean 14.6. The consensus of the Forum is that a richer mixture will make the bikes run smoother and cooler, with more throttle response. I've ordered a set of XiEDs and plan to install them ASAP. I'll save the SERT and dyno for the Stage II mods.
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Being new to the "modern" bikes, I've read so many conflicting stories...
Slip ons don't require anything extra, like better AC, tuner and remap AND I've read they DO need it all.
Full pipes do require AC, tuner and remap. And for all I know...nothing...a tuner and remap could be the same thing.
Either way, all of this "they do, they don't" crap and mostly the money involved, has made me decide to just keep my stock pipes and say to hell with it all.
Slip ons don't require anything extra, like better AC, tuner and remap AND I've read they DO need it all.
Full pipes do require AC, tuner and remap. And for all I know...nothing...a tuner and remap could be the same thing.
Either way, all of this "they do, they don't" crap and mostly the money involved, has made me decide to just keep my stock pipes and say to hell with it all.
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