V&e fp3
HBR said it well. Great tune, easy to use, and bam...you are riding.
The FP3 and Fuel Moto Micro work great if you are sticking with a stage 1. Both have great support and easy to use. Even mild cams are fine. Neither need to be left connected to the bike. Never heard of someone ditching them after buying unless they moved on to a more extreme build. Most forum member reviews are glowing. The problems like the ones you've heard usually got solved with tech support (FM and V&H have great customer service) or a different map. In a few cases other components like the AC or pipes where not installed correctly causing air leaks. Easy to fix once figured out, easy to avoid if you take your time installing or have dealer do it. None of those relate to the tuner. For me the FP3 working with an iPhone (android also) is a big selling point.
It also has an auto tune feature that tweaks the map more closely to your bikes specific performance. Kind of a budget Dyno.
PV and TTS Mastertune are great tuners, but way more than most bikes need unless you are doing serious work to the motor.
Better than a PV or a TTS is a good Dyno tune by a skilled tech. Then you are getting the most precise set-up for your bikes exact compression and tolerances since they vary from the factory. The penalty here is you have to have it done again if you change anything vs just flashing a new map. But as stated, The Fp3 or FM micro work well for most bikes.
The FP3 and Fuel Moto Micro work great if you are sticking with a stage 1. Both have great support and easy to use. Even mild cams are fine. Neither need to be left connected to the bike. Never heard of someone ditching them after buying unless they moved on to a more extreme build. Most forum member reviews are glowing. The problems like the ones you've heard usually got solved with tech support (FM and V&H have great customer service) or a different map. In a few cases other components like the AC or pipes where not installed correctly causing air leaks. Easy to fix once figured out, easy to avoid if you take your time installing or have dealer do it. None of those relate to the tuner. For me the FP3 working with an iPhone (android also) is a big selling point.
It also has an auto tune feature that tweaks the map more closely to your bikes specific performance. Kind of a budget Dyno.
PV and TTS Mastertune are great tuners, but way more than most bikes need unless you are doing serious work to the motor.
Better than a PV or a TTS is a good Dyno tune by a skilled tech. Then you are getting the most precise set-up for your bikes exact compression and tolerances since they vary from the factory. The penalty here is you have to have it done again if you change anything vs just flashing a new map. But as stated, The Fp3 or FM micro work well for most bikes.
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i hate bullsh**. stop fear mongering and talking out of school
there's nothing complicated here. if op can't connect a single cable to the diagnostic port (like he would for the fp3) then he has some major problems to contend with. fp3 is a cheap, lazy, and short-sighted option. if you are advocating it, you are... cheap, lazy, and short-sighted... logically. this may offend, but it's honest. truth hurts
the pv system saves your original tune right away. you can't mess it up unless you want to.
if this is hard, then we really need to address the education system:
Dynojet Power Vision - YouTube
there's nothing complicated here. if op can't connect a single cable to the diagnostic port (like he would for the fp3) then he has some major problems to contend with. fp3 is a cheap, lazy, and short-sighted option. if you are advocating it, you are... cheap, lazy, and short-sighted... logically. this may offend, but it's honest. truth hurts
the pv system saves your original tune right away. you can't mess it up unless you want to.
if this is hard, then we really need to address the education system:
Dynojet Power Vision - YouTube
Personally, I used a SE Race Tuner. That's what the PERSON I had tune my bike pulled 78/78 out of my bike when it was still a 1200. Please, take a closer look at my Sporty and tell me I'm cheap.
The OP may not want to sit and tinker in the garage like you or I. If your recommendations are based solely on your personal preferences and not considering the question and conditions originally stated than you're adding no value.
Logically, you're using an ad hominem approach to counter my argument. "Cheap, lazy, and short-sighted" is just an insulting way of re-wording "plug and play" ...which is what the OP asked for. He also stated he does not want to waste his money. Which, in my opinion, paying for features you're never going to use would be a waste.
Personally, I used a SE Race Tuner. That's what the PERSON I had tune my bike pulled 78/78 out of my bike when it was still a 1200. Please, take a closer look at my Sporty and tell me I'm cheap. [it's a sportster... stop the madness] ....
The OP may not want to sit and tinker in the garage like you or I. If your recommendations are based solely on your personal preferences ....
wait, what?
....and not considering the question and conditions originally stated than you're adding no value.
Personally, I used a SE Race Tuner. That's what the PERSON I had tune my bike pulled 78/78 out of my bike when it was still a 1200. Please, take a closer look at my Sporty and tell me I'm cheap. [it's a sportster... stop the madness] ....
The OP may not want to sit and tinker in the garage like you or I. If your recommendations are based solely on your personal preferences ....
wait, what?
....
Question. Whats the best tuner? Im not a certified mechanic, more of a shade tree mechanic. Would prefer something that is more plug and play, and do not want to waste my money. Need more bang for the buck. Ive been looking at the V&H FP3 - but seen several people having issues with staying connected by Bluetooth - and other having issues with the bike not running well. Some of that I assume is due to not knowing what youre doing. Maybe Im wrong. Is the FP3 the best choice?
Thanks for your help!
Question. Whats the best tuner? Im not a certified mechanic, more of a shade tree mechanic. Would prefer something that is more plug and play, and do not want to waste my money. Need more bang for the buck. Ive been looking at the V&H FP3 - but seen several people having issues with staying connected by Bluetooth - and other having issues with the bike not running well. Some of that I assume is due to not knowing what youre doing. Maybe Im wrong. Is the FP3 the best choice?
Thanks for your help!
pv is plug and play, wtf are you talking about? you don't need to sit in the garage at all. you are talking out of school and it's obvious. i suggest you do some research prior to mouthing off. i certainly do not know everything and don't stick my mouth where it does not belong. i am no mechanic / mech engineer. major engine advice is not my forte. i know my PV. you do not know any pv. fuel moto and pv folks will walk op through a pv and send him/her custom maps just for their bike the same as they would for the cheaper options they sell, fp3 included, the difference the pv offers more versatility down the line, direct connection(no wonky apps and points of failure), and more features.
OP asked, "is FP3 the BEST choice?" the answer is "no, it is not the best choice."
if OP asked "is the fp3 the BEST CHEAP choice?" the answer is "yes, it is."
plenty of info to support everything i've said here, no PIDOOMA Method from someone talking out of school:
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/ignit...-injection-55/
talking out of school: https://www.englishforums.com/Englis...krdgk/post.htm
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When you are calling people cheap, lazy, and short-sighted and calling their advice BS you are attacking their character. Then, after proving to you I'm not cheap you reverse your insult and call my bike overbuilt.
Everything you mentioned takes significantly longer than the 5 minutes I spent with a FP3. The OP asked is it the best choice given his desire to plug and play and his limited technical ability to which I presented my opinion. You have yet to refute that the FP3 is easier, quicker, and less expensive.
What kind of numbers are you pulling out of your custom PV tunes?
Everything you mentioned takes significantly longer than the 5 minutes I spent with a FP3. The OP asked is it the best choice given his desire to plug and play and his limited technical ability to which I presented my opinion. You have yet to refute that the FP3 is easier, quicker, and less expensive.
What kind of numbers are you pulling out of your custom PV tunes?
When you are calling people cheap, lazy, and short-sighted (is that not what going on here) and calling their advice BS (is that not what going on here) you are attacking their character. Then, after proving (?) to you I'm not cheap you reverse your insult and call my bike overbuilt(?).
Everything you mentioned takes significantly longer than the 5 minutes I spent with a FP3. The OP asked is it the best choice given his desire to plug and play and his limited technical ability to which I presented my ( biased and incorrect)opinion. You have yet to refute that the FP3 is easier, quicker, and less expensive (cheap, lazy, and short-sighted.... anyone, Bueller).
What kind of numbers are you pulling out of your custom PV tunes?
Everything you mentioned takes significantly longer than the 5 minutes I spent with a FP3. The OP asked is it the best choice given his desire to plug and play and his limited technical ability to which I presented my ( biased and incorrect)opinion. You have yet to refute that the FP3 is easier, quicker, and less expensive (cheap, lazy, and short-sighted.... anyone, Bueller).
What kind of numbers are you pulling out of your custom PV tunes?
Everything you mentioned takes significantly longer than the 5 minutes I spent with a FP3.
i don't need to refute what you are saying, facts are abound. see here:
plenty of info to support everything i've said here, no PIDOOMA Method from someone talking out of school:
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/sport...-injection-55/
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/sport...-injection-55/
numbers i'm pulling, no idea. butt gauge. see comment above about bragging.
you aren't riding a vmax, m109, triumph rocket, vrod, or any other blistering cruiser... stop the nonsense. you are riding a sporty. i'm not bashing sportys. i love my sporty more than my dyna, it's just more fun and a better ride to be 100% honest. who cares about what you are pulling, your bike is still a joke relatively. any clown on a cbr 600 will put your rolling cliche to shame. mine too, both of them. i have no delusions about that fact.
we like our collective hobby, but don't get it twisted, our bikes are hobbyist/enthusiast bikes....not performance machines.
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Exactly why spending an extra $100 ($200 to $600 from what I'm seeing online depending on optional PV features) on a tuner with features you don't need for a stage 1 and basic mods may not be the OPs best choice when he stated money was a factor in his choice. I have no complaints about PVs, but FP3 is a great product and the fact it works with an iPhone makes it the best choice for some people.
Last edited by Thingfish; Dec 29, 2015 at 01:33 PM.
Exactly why spending an extra $100 ($200 to $600 from what I'm seeing online depending on optional PV features) on a tuner with features you don't need for a stage 1 and basic mods may not be the OPs best choice when he stated money was a factor in his choice. I have no complaints about PVs, but FP3 is a great product and the fact it works with an iPhone makes it the best choice for some people.
OP never said money was a factor, op said
Question. Whats the best tuner? Im not a certified mechanic, more of a shade tree mechanic. Would prefer something that is more plug and play, and do not want to waste my money.Need more bang for the buck. Ive been looking at the V&H FP3 - but seen several people having issues with staying connected by Bluetooth - and other having issues with the bike not running well. Some of that I assume is due to not knowing what youre doing. Maybe Im wrong. Is the FP3 the best choice?
again 70- 100 buck difference pv is 429 if you search online.. i paid 429 and said screw fuel moto's 499 "deal" for a and a .
the fp3 is the next cheapest, beyond that there are tons of sub $199 options fp3 is the best bet in the 150-350 range. i'm not unreasonable
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Waste and paying for benefits he doesn't need are pretty much in the same boat. And you're right, he may not have it, or may not want to spend it unnecessarily. I try to avoid that myself.
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Are you reading your own posts? You called me cheap, then you looked at my Sporty and said stop the madness. Those two comments contradicted each other.
He starts that video stating now that we've gone through all these updates, etc. When I say 5 minutes I mean 5 minutes from pulling it out the box to riding the bike away.
You spent more money, time, and effort and you have no tangible reasons why? You're proving my original point. You tune a bike to make it run well after some modifications to intake/exhaust or you tune it for max performance. As it stands now, both my wife's bike and your bikes arrived at the former but her's did so for less money, time and effort. I personally chose the latter route and tuned mine for performance at which point a butt dyno is insufficient. That, and your incessant need to insult my "cheapness" is why I posted my old numbers for you.
As for the performance comments: What you choose to do with your bike and what I choose to do with mine are completely different. However, with nothing but a picture of mine to go off of you're simply talking out of your 'dyno' when you compare it to those other bikes.
He starts that video stating now that we've gone through all these updates, etc. When I say 5 minutes I mean 5 minutes from pulling it out the box to riding the bike away.
You spent more money, time, and effort and you have no tangible reasons why? You're proving my original point. You tune a bike to make it run well after some modifications to intake/exhaust or you tune it for max performance. As it stands now, both my wife's bike and your bikes arrived at the former but her's did so for less money, time and effort. I personally chose the latter route and tuned mine for performance at which point a butt dyno is insufficient. That, and your incessant need to insult my "cheapness" is why I posted my old numbers for you.
As for the performance comments: What you choose to do with your bike and what I choose to do with mine are completely different. However, with nothing but a picture of mine to go off of you're simply talking out of your 'dyno' when you compare it to those other bikes.
spending extra hurts, but i'm glad i took the wisdom of the forum.