V&e fp3
No idea why people do that. they need encouragement i guess.
there is an entire sub forum just for stuff like this:
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/ignit...-injection-55/
Last edited by cvaria; Dec 30, 2015 at 07:59 AM.
Road Warrior
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,372
Likes: 49
From: In the foothills of southwestern NC - US of A
I've heard all the excuses for not buying the PV tuner; it's too expensive; I don't wrench; I don't need the performance; I'm not racing; it's for my old lady's bike; I just want the bike to breath better; I won't be doing any more than a Stage 1; I'll never use the display; I have no reason to log data; I already have a smartphone, etc.
On the surface it appears that the FoolPak series of tuners are getting better, with new features, and although the pricing is lower than the PV, the FP3 has yet to prove itself as the PV tuner has already done so well. Right now they're two different animals sharing the same cage. They'll duke it out and each others fanboi's will duke it out too, but no matter how much chest beating gets done by each side people will still side with who they will, no matter how many explanations for or against are presented. It's simply human nature to pick a side that you feel you can trust, whether it's right wrong or indifferent, and only time and their own honest personal experience will show if their decision was the right one, or just the cheapest one...
Speaking of cheap, purchasing the PV tuner ain't, but if a guy can buy a new bike, what the hell's another $450 to get it running the way it should've been in the first place? But nooooooooooo...they'd rather pay the dealer to add all kinds of useless chrome BS at damn near twice the price of the tuner, but that's ok. WTF has happened to the American biker anyway? Todays bikers seem to have turned into a bunch of emasculated penny-pinchin' metrosexual sissyboys with iPhones proliferating our streets? Oh say it ain't so...(LOL)
cvaria...these guys are gonna' do what they want, 'might as well just let 'em enjoy.
=8^)
Tourer
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 317
Likes: 4
From: Japan
From my observations, people who post questions about certain products have already made up their minds about purchasing, and they're just looking for "backup" justification before pulling the trigger.
I've heard all the excuses for not buying the PV tuner; it's too expensive; I don't wrench; I don't need the performance; I'm not racing; it's for my old lady's bike; I just want the bike to breath better; I won't be doing any more than a Stage 1; I'll never use the display; I have no reason to log data; I already have a smartphone, etc.
On the surface it appears that the FoolPak series of tuners are getting better, with new features, and although the pricing is lower than the PV, the FP3 has yet to prove itself as the PV tuner has already done so well. Right now they're two different animals sharing the same cage. They'll duke it out and each others fanboi's will duke it out too, but no matter how much chest beating gets done by each side people will still side with who they will, no matter how many explanations for or against are presented. It's simply human nature to pick a side that you feel you can trust, whether it's right wrong or indifferent, and only time and their own honest personal experience will show if their decision was the right one, or just the cheapest one...
Speaking of cheap, purchasing the PV tuner ain't, but if a guy can buy a new bike, what the hell's another $450 to get it running the way it should've been in the first place? But nooooooooooo...they'd rather pay the dealer to add all kinds of useless chrome BS at damn near twice the price of the tuner, but that's ok. WTF has happened to the American biker anyway? Todays bikers seem to have turned into a bunch of emasculated penny-pinchin' metrosexual sissyboys with iPhones proliferating our streets? Oh say it ain't so...(LOL)
cvaria...these guys are gonna' do what they want, 'might as well just let 'em enjoy.
=8^)
I've heard all the excuses for not buying the PV tuner; it's too expensive; I don't wrench; I don't need the performance; I'm not racing; it's for my old lady's bike; I just want the bike to breath better; I won't be doing any more than a Stage 1; I'll never use the display; I have no reason to log data; I already have a smartphone, etc.
On the surface it appears that the FoolPak series of tuners are getting better, with new features, and although the pricing is lower than the PV, the FP3 has yet to prove itself as the PV tuner has already done so well. Right now they're two different animals sharing the same cage. They'll duke it out and each others fanboi's will duke it out too, but no matter how much chest beating gets done by each side people will still side with who they will, no matter how many explanations for or against are presented. It's simply human nature to pick a side that you feel you can trust, whether it's right wrong or indifferent, and only time and their own honest personal experience will show if their decision was the right one, or just the cheapest one...
Speaking of cheap, purchasing the PV tuner ain't, but if a guy can buy a new bike, what the hell's another $450 to get it running the way it should've been in the first place? But nooooooooooo...they'd rather pay the dealer to add all kinds of useless chrome BS at damn near twice the price of the tuner, but that's ok. WTF has happened to the American biker anyway? Todays bikers seem to have turned into a bunch of emasculated penny-pinchin' metrosexual sissyboys with iPhones proliferating our streets? Oh say it ain't so...(LOL)
cvaria...these guys are gonna' do what they want, 'might as well just let 'em enjoy.
=8^)
It's good to ask questions and make your own opinion about the matter. I went with a PV because I baught my sportster and planned to keep it for the rest of my life. Even if I get a bigger bike, I will still keep my sportster. The PV will be able to tune my bike for whatever I decide to do with it no matter the severity. But it's my choice to spend that money on a PV and not other parts I'm dreaming about.
OP keep asking questions and making your own decision from the info gathered.
By the way I've enjoyed my PV and never regretted it.
Road Warrior
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,372
Likes: 49
From: In the foothills of southwestern NC - US of A
Well, the "American biker" used to buy a richer main jet and pilot jet but now it's gotten more complicated and expensive and we also have "choices" so FML.
It's good to ask questions and make your own opinion about the matter. I went with a PV because I baught my sportster and planned to keep it for the rest of my life. Even if I get a bigger bike, I will still keep my sportster. The PV will be able to tune my bike for whatever I decide to do with it no matter the severity. But it's my choice to spend that money on a PV and not other parts I'm dreaming about.
OP keep asking questions and making your own decision from the info gathered.
By the way I've enjoyed my PV and never regretted it.
It's good to ask questions and make your own opinion about the matter. I went with a PV because I baught my sportster and planned to keep it for the rest of my life. Even if I get a bigger bike, I will still keep my sportster. The PV will be able to tune my bike for whatever I decide to do with it no matter the severity. But it's my choice to spend that money on a PV and not other parts I'm dreaming about.
OP keep asking questions and making your own decision from the info gathered.
By the way I've enjoyed my PV and never regretted it.
Anyway, I'm quite pleased with my PV also and am well aware of its virtues, but have grown somewhat tired of hearing excuses about why people can't afford to spend money on one for easy, proper, and good fuel management, but who don't seem to have any issues whatsoever spending their $$ on folly, which is entirely their prerogative...and I guess that's why they make cheaper cars, cheaper emergency generators, cheaper tv's, cheaper cameras, cheaper garden tools, cheaper coffee makers, etc...
I prefer to not live on the cheap, even on my fixed income, for life is short and you never know when your time is up. 'Can't take it with you, so you might as well enjoy the fruits of your labor before you croak, or your ex wife gets half, whichever comes first, LOL!!
=8^)
Yeah, my sarcasm is definately too often overlooked.
Anyway, I'm quite pleased with my PV also and am well aware of its virtues, but have grown somewhat tired of hearing excuses about why people can't afford to spend money on one for easy, proper, and good fuel management, but who don't seem to have any issues whatsoever spending their $$ on folly, which is entirely their prerogative...and I guess that's why they make cheaper cars, cheaper emergency generators, cheaper tv's, cheaper cameras, cheaper garden tools, cheaper coffee makers, etc...
I prefer to not live on the cheap, even on my fixed income, for life is short and you never know when your time is up. 'Can't take it with you, so you might as well enjoy the fruits of your labor before you croak, or your ex wife gets half, whichever comes first, LOL!!
=8^)
Anyway, I'm quite pleased with my PV also and am well aware of its virtues, but have grown somewhat tired of hearing excuses about why people can't afford to spend money on one for easy, proper, and good fuel management, but who don't seem to have any issues whatsoever spending their $$ on folly, which is entirely their prerogative...and I guess that's why they make cheaper cars, cheaper emergency generators, cheaper tv's, cheaper cameras, cheaper garden tools, cheaper coffee makers, etc...
I prefer to not live on the cheap, even on my fixed income, for life is short and you never know when your time is up. 'Can't take it with you, so you might as well enjoy the fruits of your labor before you croak, or your ex wife gets half, whichever comes first, LOL!!
=8^)
not only that, you can't sell a used FP3, it's worthless second hand. so even if you were "just doing stage 1", you can't sell it when you are done to recoup the cost for another project.
Last edited by cvaria; Dec 30, 2015 at 11:59 AM.
Cruiser
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
From: Washington
i'm okay with you blowing money on building a "fast" sportster. it's your money not mine. i will not insult your bike. i'm not into the bobberish bike thing, made that clear a few times. not into any of that chain conversion and tattoo cliche crap either. to each his own, folks like you make rallys fun. i will buy you a pv and a beer if your sportster can best a vmax, rocket, and vrod. hold me to it. send the vids
I'll look for some cruisers to abuse when my bike is done but the math comes out pretty clear.
Rocket III Roadster: 809 lbs, 148 hp, 163 ft-lbs torque, 0.18
Vrod: 673 lbs, 122 hp, 87 ft-lbs torque, 0.18
Vmax, 683 lbs, 113 hp, 83 ft-lbs torque, 0.16
Since I don't know how much weight I have cut we'll go with the stock weight of 567 lbs. When she's done I'll conservatively have 115 hp since I'm focusing on torque. That's a power to weight of 0.20. It's no Panigale R but we're talking cruisers.
Now, to address the money comment. Cosmetics aside, if you take the at least $5k difference between those three bikes and a new sporty and dump that into performance enhancements in your sporty you are going to easily reach where my bike is at. I don't have optimal intake/exhaust either because I'm vain and it's a street bike not a drag racer.
I'll say again, to each his own...
If you're talking about chain drive, I just converted mine because a belt won't handle the torque. I'm not sure where the tattoo/rally comment came from?
I'll look for some cruisers to abuse when my bike is done but the math comes out pretty clear.
Rocket III Roadster: 809 lbs, 148 hp, 163 ft-lbs torque, 0.18
Vrod: 673 lbs, 122 hp, 87 ft-lbs torque, 0.18
Vmax, 683 lbs, 113 hp, 83 ft-lbs torque, 0.16
Since I don't know how much weight I have cut we'll go with the stock weight of 567 lbs. When she's done I'll conservatively have 115 hp since I'm focusing on torque. That's a power to weight of 0.20. It's no Panigale R but we're talking cruisers.
Now, to address the money comment. Cosmetics aside, if you take the at least $5k difference between those three bikes and a new sporty and dump that into performance enhancements in your sporty you are going to easily reach where my bike is at. I don't have optimal intake/exhaust either because I'm vain and it's a street bike not a drag racer.
I'll say again, to each his own...
I'll look for some cruisers to abuse when my bike is done but the math comes out pretty clear.
Rocket III Roadster: 809 lbs, 148 hp, 163 ft-lbs torque, 0.18
Vrod: 673 lbs, 122 hp, 87 ft-lbs torque, 0.18
Vmax, 683 lbs, 113 hp, 83 ft-lbs torque, 0.16
Since I don't know how much weight I have cut we'll go with the stock weight of 567 lbs. When she's done I'll conservatively have 115 hp since I'm focusing on torque. That's a power to weight of 0.20. It's no Panigale R but we're talking cruisers.
Now, to address the money comment. Cosmetics aside, if you take the at least $5k difference between those three bikes and a new sporty and dump that into performance enhancements in your sporty you are going to easily reach where my bike is at. I don't have optimal intake/exhaust either because I'm vain and it's a street bike not a drag racer.
I'll say again, to each his own...
about your bike or your lust for speed and blown engines. i'm glad you are happy and i'm sure this hobby is keeping you off the hookers, drugs, and booze. these are good things... but man, spare me the details. send me the vids of you beating down those bikes and i'll send you a pv and some beer. i'll keep my word.if i offer it, i'll honor it
Last edited by cvaria; Dec 30, 2015 at 01:45 PM.
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it doesn't? they don't sell an adapter? i had to buy one for my old 2007 sporty on the 4 pin so my pv could talk to it.
call the fuelmoto folks or look in the tuner sub-forum
Intermediate
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
From: San Francisco
I was in the same boat you were in. I bit the bullet and went with the FP3. The preloaded maps for a stage 1 are generic, but you will see an improvement. If you do decided to go this route, i suggest auto tuning. I ran my bike through 3 tanks while in auto tune, and it runs like a beast.