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I didn't take the bike there to get any thing done. I bought it that way. I didn't know they had put those cams in, I thought they had only done a 1200 conversion with just cylinders and pistons. I only learned about the cams when they sent me the service records after I had already taken the bike home. That is the reason I am trying to find out if these cams are going to be ok and not hurt my motor or if I should get stock cams put back in. I don't know if I could put them in myself or not. Next month I am going to drive down to Sandpoint Idaho and see if I can talk to Dan or Alex and find out how hard this job is. I have to go there any ways to buy a clutch compressor.
It's not hard to do really.
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I went for a ride today, I couldn't go too far as there was ice on some parts of the shaded mountain roads where I live so I only got about 50 miles on it. It seems to run good and I don't hear any abnormal noises. I got it up to 70 in one dry spot and the tack said 4000 rpm. I think that is the right rpm for that speed. It didn't seem to be revving that high and if I opened it up it jumped up to 80 almost instant I only kept it there for a few seconds as I was coming up to an icy spot. Kind of got leery of the road so I slowed down and went home. I don't think I will be able to get it out again till end of May
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Yes it seems fairly easy but reading the manual it says to check for gear end play but I cant find the part in th manual that tells you how to do that, also there are quite a few other things I cant make head nor tail out of so I will just find a good independent to do the job if I decide to put the stock cams back in. Still a lot of research till I decide.
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I went for a ride today, I couldn't go too far as there was ice on some parts of the shaded mountain roads where I live so I only got about 50 miles on it. It seems to run good and I don't hear any abnormal noises. I got it up to 70 in one dry spot and the tack said 4000 rpm. I think that is the right rpm for that speed. It didn't seem to be revving that high and if I opened it up it jumped up to 80 almost instant I only kept it there for a few seconds as I was coming up to an icy spot. Kind of got leery of the road so I slowed down and went home. I don't think I will be able to get it out again till end of May
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I went for a ride today, I couldn't go too far as there was ice on some parts of the shaded mountain roads where I live so I only got about 50 miles on it. It seems to run good and I don't hear any abnormal noises. I got it up to 70 in one dry spot and the tack said 4000 rpm. I think that is the right rpm for that speed. It didn't seem to be revving that high and if I opened it up it jumped up to 80 almost instant I only kept it there for a few seconds as I was coming up to an icy spot. Kind of got leery of the road so I slowed down and went home. I don't think I will be able to get it out again till end of May
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It sounds like they used the H-D Screamin Eagle Conversion kit 29836-10A. It comes with that cam, 1200 cylinders, heavy duty clutch spring, and 10:1 pistons... uses the stock 883 heads. They changed the pulley to get the xl1200 type rpm range.
I cant understand why they left the stock air cleaner and stock exhaust while doing the other stuff. It needs to be changed to get better results from that kit. Put better exhaust and a heavy breather air cleaner on it. It should be fine and run better than a stock 883, and similar to a stock xl1200 (probably slightly faster).
If they didnt give you the tuner with the motorcycle, you will need one. It has to be tuned with those exhaust and Air cleaner mods. If you have a H-D warranty, they will probably tell you that you have to use the H-D Street Tuner. If your bike doesnt have a warranty, there are better tuners available.
I cant understand why they left the stock air cleaner and stock exhaust while doing the other stuff. It needs to be changed to get better results from that kit. Put better exhaust and a heavy breather air cleaner on it. It should be fine and run better than a stock 883, and similar to a stock xl1200 (probably slightly faster).
If they didnt give you the tuner with the motorcycle, you will need one. It has to be tuned with those exhaust and Air cleaner mods. If you have a H-D warranty, they will probably tell you that you have to use the H-D Street Tuner. If your bike doesnt have a warranty, there are better tuners available.
Last edited by Gnarlie; Nov 18, 2019 at 10:58 AM.
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It sounds like they used the H-D Screamin Eagle Conversion kit 29836-10A. It comes with that cam, 1200 cylinders, heavy duty clutch spring, and 10:1 pistons... uses the stock 883 heads. They changed the pulley to get the xl1200 type rpm range.
I cant understand why they left the stock air cleaner and stock exhaust while doing the other stuff. It needs to be changed to get better results from that kit. Put better exhaust and a heavy breather air cleaner on it. It should be fine and run better than a stock 883, and close to a stock xl1200.
I cant understand why they left the stock air cleaner and stock exhaust while doing the other stuff. It needs to be changed to get better results from that kit. Put better exhaust and a heavy breather air cleaner on it. It should be fine and run better than a stock 883, and close to a stock xl1200.
Hell, even D cams perform better with a good exhaust and AC. Does that make them a good choice for part of a performance package?
Unfortunately leaving those stock heads as part of a performance package is even more of a blunder and the only choice he really has short of head work thst would allow real performance cams to improve performance where he needs it is to go back to the Ws because no matter what he does with exhaust they will perform better than the 551s. The proof of that is well documented.
Last edited by 60Gunner; Nov 18, 2019 at 11:01 AM.
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LOL. Ive been around motorcycles too long to get into a cam debate. OP was worried about his cam and seemed confused as to what was done to the motorcycle. I was just telling him what he probably has and reassuring him it is a Harley offered engine conversion... and what he needed to do to make it work best with what he had.
It may not be optimal but OP didnt seem to care about the higher HP options out there. Im betting that if he changes the exhaust and air cleaner, then gets it tuned, it will fit his stated needs. Later, after he gets used to it, he can decide if he wants to chase HP like the rest of us.
It may not be optimal but OP didnt seem to care about the higher HP options out there. Im betting that if he changes the exhaust and air cleaner, then gets it tuned, it will fit his stated needs. Later, after he gets used to it, he can decide if he wants to chase HP like the rest of us.
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It sounds like they used the H-D Screamin Eagle Conversion kit 29836-10A. It comes with that cam, 1200 cylinders, heavy duty clutch spring, and 10:1 pistons... uses the stock 883 heads. They changed the pulley to get the xl1200 type rpm range.
I cant understand why they left the stock air cleaner and stock exhaust while doing the other stuff. It needs to be changed to get better results from that kit. Put better exhaust and a heavy breather air cleaner on it. It should be fine and run better than a stock 883, and similar to a stock xl1200 (probably slightly faster).
If they didnt give you the tuner with the motorcycle, you will need one. It has to be tuned with those exhaust and Air cleaner mods. If you have a H-D warranty, they will probably tell you that you have to use the H-D Street Tuner. If your bike doesnt have a warranty, there are better tuners available.
I cant understand why they left the stock air cleaner and stock exhaust while doing the other stuff. It needs to be changed to get better results from that kit. Put better exhaust and a heavy breather air cleaner on it. It should be fine and run better than a stock 883, and similar to a stock xl1200 (probably slightly faster).
If they didnt give you the tuner with the motorcycle, you will need one. It has to be tuned with those exhaust and Air cleaner mods. If you have a H-D warranty, they will probably tell you that you have to use the H-D Street Tuner. If your bike doesnt have a warranty, there are better tuners available.
Last edited by gerald martin; Nov 18, 2019 at 12:40 PM. Reason: na
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Heck I'm 75 years old and my bike is 110 HP. I don't get tired of using all them ponies every now and again. LOL. I just mailed off my yearly insurance payment to progressive. It was $215.00 for full coverage. Not bad for a year.
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To add to what apache said, performance doesn't have to be high speed. Hell I hardly ever even use 5th gear because I seldom go much over 65 or 70 but I like to feel the power getting there which is the reason I went with Hammer's 570 cams. Not a big peak HP cam but my midrange torque is nothing short of great at just under 90ft.lbs. @ 4400rpm and peak HP of 87 @ 5600rpm with my khromewerks slip ons and it's a bolt in for 04+ 1200s. The OP would need some headwork and definitely a better clutch.
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