Remap vs Xied
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Remap vs Xied
Hey all,
Been lurking around here for a while, but this is my first post.
I've got an 2011 Iron 883 for a few months now, and am looking to upgrade the stock exhaust to V&H Blackout 2 into 1, as well as add the RSD Black Ops Turbine air cleaner.
Now I know I need to re-calibrate the engine to satisfy the new air intake, otherwise it'll run too lean.
The questions: will Xied do the job? Or should I remap? Or are they the same thing, basically?
Xied is much cheaper, $100 vs the $400 remap. And its plug and play, so I rather do that, if it'll do the job.
What do you guys suggest? Thanks for the help!
Been lurking around here for a while, but this is my first post.
I've got an 2011 Iron 883 for a few months now, and am looking to upgrade the stock exhaust to V&H Blackout 2 into 1, as well as add the RSD Black Ops Turbine air cleaner.
Now I know I need to re-calibrate the engine to satisfy the new air intake, otherwise it'll run too lean.
The questions: will Xied do the job? Or should I remap? Or are they the same thing, basically?
Xied is much cheaper, $100 vs the $400 remap. And its plug and play, so I rather do that, if it'll do the job.
What do you guys suggest? Thanks for the help!
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Sounds like you are getting some nice parts there and your right, you will need to richen up the mixture. I have never had the Xied's, but have read very good things about them and thye are cheap. I have pipes and AC on my bike and went with the PC III with a dyno tune and the bike runs great! lots of power, does not get overly hot. It's all in what you want out of the bike and the parts you are installing. The Xied's will richen it up and she keep the engine safe, but a good tuner like a PC V or SERT with a dyno tune will get the engine where it needs to be through the whole RPM range and give a nice boost in power. I have learned over the years and projects is when trying to be cheap most of the time all it does for me makes more agervation, takes more time and I end up getting the other stuff anyways. I say if you are going to have the bike for a long time then get a tuner and get it dyno's and be done with it.
Plenty of info floating on this forum, for just simple A/C and exhaust bolt ons...www.nightrider.com devices can handle perfectly. There is no justified means other than sales pitches for other plug-in controllers, you simply need to change the closed loop fuel map which that's what the nightrider products do.
You start porting, cams, lifters, 883-1200 conversions...etc..NOW you need a good tuner and programmable unit.
The cost justification for the very mild improvement from a dyno tune with aftermarket A/C + exhaust mods...is just way to out in left field
You start porting, cams, lifters, 883-1200 conversions...etc..NOW you need a good tuner and programmable unit.
The cost justification for the very mild improvement from a dyno tune with aftermarket A/C + exhaust mods...is just way to out in left field
Last edited by Kontankerous; Jul 21, 2011 at 01:29 PM.
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It depends on your bike, pipes, A/C, riding preferences, do you care for max performance?, your budget, etc. My opinion - try VIED and see how it runs. Do 500 miles and see what you think. If you are happy, you are lucky and you are done (at least until next big engine mod). If not, you can sell VIED and move on to tuners, dynos, whatnot. I found many discussions on this forum and other forums (some good stuff on xlforum), but there is no single answer. I believe nothing will replace dyno and good tuning if you want max performance, but _ieD/VieD should do if you just want look & sound and you are happy with how your bike runs ..but that's just another opinion. Keep us posted on your findings.
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$400.00 for a re-map? I don't know where you got that price but if it came from a dealer, find another one. I paid $148.00 for my 2010 1200C to be re-mapped.
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No kiddin...... My re-map at the dealer was like $135 when I got the pipes and SE Stage1.
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Do you mean Stage 1 download or dyno / tuning? $400 is probably what they charge for dyno. Do more research before you pull trigger on Stage 1 download. Some people say it has the same maps as stock and doesn't do much (rev limit is probably the only useful thing), but is it worth $150-$200? I am guessing it is okay for SE slipons and SE Stage 1 A/C, but anything beyond that may require more tuning and most likely will erase Stage 1 download. Most people end up buying ECM programmer (i.e. SERT) or EFI tuner (i.e. PowerCommander) or both, so you may as well save that money for these.
Someone else posted these two links and I found them v.helpful. It is easier to know what you need once you understand how it works.
http://www.drdyno.com/AIM_2010-07.html
http://www.drdyno.com/AIM_2010-09.html
Someone else posted these two links and I found them v.helpful. It is easier to know what you need once you understand how it works.
http://www.drdyno.com/AIM_2010-07.html
http://www.drdyno.com/AIM_2010-09.html
