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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 03:19 PM
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Default Hi FOLKS! NEW 2012 Iron owner here

Hello all *New Guy* here.

I'm a San Francisco born native and NEW to motorcycles. I've been into different hobbies and this is my NEW found LOVE. I'm also into guns and photography but nevertheless this isn't a dating site so enough about that.

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Recently picked up:

2012 Harley Davidson Iron 883
- 1200cc Conversion
- Screaming Eagle Jet Black Header Pipes
- Screaming Eagle Buckshot Exhaust Shields
- Screaming Eagle Jet Black Slip on Shorty Dual Mufflers
- Flipped Mirrors

I wish I did more research before shoving out the funds for the SE stuff because now I want some V&H Side Shots.

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Recently (after photo was taken)

- Removed Fork Reflectors
- Removed Rear Reflector
- Added Front Axle Covers
- Added Rear Axle Covers
- Visors for Turn Signals (Bullet)
- Visor for Tail Lights (Bullet)
- Flush Mount Gas Cap

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Planning on: (would like advice)

- Vance & Hines Side Shots in Black (Do I need to Dyno and get a Download of some sort?)
- Screaming Eagle Heavy Breather (Do I need to Dyno and get a Download of some sort?)

Harley was telling me that I'll need a Download if I do either but I was heard that since I got the 1200cc conversion it already has the download and I can just mount them on and go.

Ultimately I dont want to "VOID" my warranty and I also DO NOT want to kill my bike or manage anything by not doing things RIGHT the 1st time.

What else would you recommend that I do?!?!?

Please advise, Thanks in Advance.

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(I know I could do a search (which I did) but this is my way of introducing myself and asking questions at the same time)

RIDE SAFE FOLKS!!!


 

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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Nice bike and welcome to the forum, your going to open a big debate on the download subject. For the 1200 kit you have a updated ECM...for a 1200, that's what they are calling a download.
As far as changing pipes and air cleaner you will be ok due to the fact that you have o2 sensors that will adjust the fuel mixture. As far as performance goes having it tuned on a dyno with the pipes and air cleaner you decide on will make the bike run better.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by barrygreen
Nice bike and welcome to the forum, your going to open a big debate on the download subject. For the 1200 kit you have a updated ECM...for a 1200, that's what they are calling a download.
As far as changing pipes and air cleaner you will be ok due to the fact that you have o2 sensors that will adjust the fuel mixture. As far as performance goes having it tuned on a dyno with the pipes and air cleaner you decide on will make the bike run better.
Thanks! I hope I dont open up a big a** debate. Not my intentions. LOL
 
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 04:24 PM
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welcome and nice bike!
 
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 04:28 PM
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You do NOT need to do anything to the ECM at all to install the pipes you want.

Harley dealers either lie, or don't know SQUAT about any tech since the downdraft carb.

For the 100th time on this forum:

http://www.nightrider.com/parts/ied_faq.htm

XIED Frequently Asked Questions

Do I need to remap my ECM when installing exhaust and air cleaner upgrades to my 07 and later Harley?
NO, you do not have to do anything. You can put the mufflers/air cleaner upgrades and ride the bike without having to worry about the engine

The simple truth is the 07 and later HD's will run just fine with exhaust/air cleaner upgrades and you do not have to do anything to the ECM at all. Closed loop EFI operation uses feedback from the O2 sensor to maintain a constant AFR, even if changes are made to the exhaust and air cleaner.

The amount of information about what has to be done '07 and later Harley when installing exhaust/air cleaner upgrades has been the subject of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt). Riders, Dealerships, Parts Suppliers and Aftermarket Shops have presented old-wives tales, bad technical information, mis-information and in some cases, just plain flat lied about the capabilities of the Delphi closed loop ECMs on these bikes.

Most people hold on to their old ideas about what was required for the early EFI ECM's. Shops and Dealerships never bothered to learn new the new technology. Marketing information did nothing to dispel the differences between the old and new bikes. Sales staff did not know the difference or mis-represented what was required on the new bikes.

There is more independent proof that you do not need to remap the HD EFI when installing mufflers. The March 2009 (page 66) CycleWorld dyno tested a set of slip-on mufflers on an '09 FLH, getting 5% more HP and 9% more torque on a "bone-stock, including EFI mapping" bike. Cycle World is not known as a big Harley cheerleader, so it would be a reasonable assumption that they are not going to do any special favors for MOCO.

The CW information is right in line with what HD published in the Fall 2006 Enthusiast Magazine showing a 3% HP and 7% torque increase with slightly more restrictive mufflers and air cleaner kit. American Iron Magazine has also published similar articles about "no remap" upgrades involving exhaust/air cleaner changes.

How much information has to be presented to Harley Riders that remapping of the ECM is not required for exhaust/air cleaner upgrades for closed loop bikes? When it can be shown that much of the "gain" in power for bikes remapped with expensive tuning software and piggyback controllers would have occurred without spending $400-$1000, riders need to start thinking about what they are really trying to accomplish on their bikes rather than blindly following the "you must remap just to add exhaust/ac" advice that has been discredited.

American Iron Magazine routinely presents exhaust/air cleaner upgrades on 2007>later bikes without doing any ECM remap's. As one of the premier H-D magazines, you must assume their technical staff has some knowledge about how the Delphi closed loop ECM works. So you can be fairly sure that when AIM publishes a dyno sheet with improved power and the bike did not have an ECM remap, that the information is accurate.

The Dealer told me my engine will run too lean unless I get the Stage 1 download. Is this true?

What the Dealer told you is not quite accurate. The HD Stage 1 download will not richen closed loop ECM operation. EPA and CARB emissions regulations will not allow Harley or the Dealership to make the fuel mixture richer than it currently is right now.

The Stage 1 Download does improve the Ignition Advance tables. The improvements are noticed most by Ultra riders.
If they give you **** about "voiding" your warranty, tell them to read the Magnusson Moss act, and start calling HD Corporate.

Its illegal to void your warranty unless they can PROVE that your mods caused the problem they are refusing to cover.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 05:56 PM
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Parabellum, your going to scare him off...hahaha
 
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 06:03 PM
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I'm waiting for my new Iron to arrive. Looking at these pics of them has me jonesing for it TODAY!!! Very nice bike you have there. =)
 
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 06:04 PM
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No one on here has V & H pipes, so I say go for it! LMAO!
 
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Greetings & congrats on the new Iron...I agree w/streetfighter in "not" going w/the "all too common" V&H pipes. Your SE exhaust looks great & why be like all the other Sporty owners...get some miles on the bike & worry about these things later down the road...
 
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 06:11 PM
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Welcome and great looking bike!! I have a 2012 Iron as well and I love it. Such a fun bike to ride!
 
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