Using concealed weapon – right or wrong?
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OK, I have been reading this thread all day. Here's how it is!
First of all, any of you hot shots every shot, or killed another person?
Well, I been there, done that. Notice how the Vets are not in this thread all gun ho, like you? I'll tell you why. It is not a "fun" thing to shoot another person, no matter the situation. And when one Does, or HAVE TO, you feel like chit. It's nothing to brag about. It don't make you a BIG MAN. So please, if you have not "been there" hush. Once you have "been there" you will.
Just my .02c
First of all, any of you hot shots every shot, or killed another person?
Well, I been there, done that. Notice how the Vets are not in this thread all gun ho, like you? I'll tell you why. It is not a "fun" thing to shoot another person, no matter the situation. And when one Does, or HAVE TO, you feel like chit. It's nothing to brag about. It don't make you a BIG MAN. So please, if you have not "been there" hush. Once you have "been there" you will.
Just my .02c
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From: Land of the Free, Home of Jack Daniel's
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And just how is it that you seem to know who is and is not a Vet? I'm a Vet and stick by my posts. Then again maybe "been there" means a combat zone so maybe my opinion should be disregarded as I didn't get sent into combat. You are the only one that has attempted to connect self defense or defense of others with having "FUN". And no, I will not hush. That's my .02c
You know I'm voting for you...........
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And just how is it that you seem to know who is and is not a Vet? I'm a Vet and stick by my posts. Then again maybe "been there" means a combat zone so maybe my opinion should be disregarded as I didn't get sent into combat. You are the only one that has attempted to connect self defense or defense of others with having "FUN". And no, I will not hush. That's my .02c
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This is a fascinating thread and case. It's a good exercise to review it and think about what action we'd take in that situation. It's serious business thinking about using lethal force, and I'm not sure what I'd do, but I guarantee it's better to think about it before it happens.
I'll assume that the story is factual, as far as it goes. The conclusion is that the customer was within the law to take action with lethal force, which he applied with success in stopping the robbery and potential murder.
Since I don't know all of the circumstances, I can't say what I would have done. I think so many elements I would use to make a decision are missing from the story that I can't decide what I would have done. Was the guy acting as if he was on drugs? Was he verbally threatening the use of lethal force? Was the store relatively empty? Was the line of fire clear with a clear back drop? There are just too many unanswered questions of consequence for me to say whether he made the "right choice." And I put the "right choice" in question marks because I firmly believe, and I'm usually a black-and-white guy, that often there is no right choice. Often we have to make the best choice and live with it.
How would I feel if my actions precipitated a stray bullet taking out a kid? Just as bad as I'd feel if the crook ended up killing the clerk and running out with the money. No matter which way it went, I'm sure knowing I just killed another person would be a devastating thing to deal with. We can't always have the textbook case and decision to make. We see the situation, assess the risks, and take action. IN this case, the guy took action, the crime was stopped and no bystanders were hurt. I'd call that successful.
I'll assume that the story is factual, as far as it goes. The conclusion is that the customer was within the law to take action with lethal force, which he applied with success in stopping the robbery and potential murder.
Since I don't know all of the circumstances, I can't say what I would have done. I think so many elements I would use to make a decision are missing from the story that I can't decide what I would have done. Was the guy acting as if he was on drugs? Was he verbally threatening the use of lethal force? Was the store relatively empty? Was the line of fire clear with a clear back drop? There are just too many unanswered questions of consequence for me to say whether he made the "right choice." And I put the "right choice" in question marks because I firmly believe, and I'm usually a black-and-white guy, that often there is no right choice. Often we have to make the best choice and live with it.
How would I feel if my actions precipitated a stray bullet taking out a kid? Just as bad as I'd feel if the crook ended up killing the clerk and running out with the money. No matter which way it went, I'm sure knowing I just killed another person would be a devastating thing to deal with. We can't always have the textbook case and decision to make. We see the situation, assess the risks, and take action. IN this case, the guy took action, the crime was stopped and no bystanders were hurt. I'd call that successful.
Last edited by bkbennett; Mar 27, 2009 at 02:52 PM.
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Bull Crappy...............I am not gonna pull my gun to "save" the $200? a store has in their register. Now, if the gunman would have started shooting people, it's ON.
Mess with me, my family, or property, it's ON... Let the cops handle the robbery. That's why they get the big money.........
Mess with me, my family, or property, it's ON... Let the cops handle the robbery. That's why they get the big money.........
i dont like to quarterback these things and i am happy that the citizen is alive... he may actually be thinking he should have done something different (cause the $200 and the risk of others lives was probably not worth it) and if he would have gotten killed, how would his family feel...
again, my response is with the given facts... and knowing how most robberies at these type of places end up...
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This is a fascinating thread and case. It's a good exercise to review it and think about what action we'd take in that situation. It's serious business thinking about using lethal force, and I'm not sure what I'd do, but I guarantee it's better to think about it before it happens.
I'll assume that the story is factual, as far as it goes. The conclusion is that the customer was within the law to take action with lethal force, which he applied with success in stopping the robbery and potential murder.
Since I don't know all of the circumstances, I can't say what I would have done. I think so many elements I would use to make a decision are missing from the story that I can't decide what I would have done. Was the guy acting as if he was on drugs? Was he verbally threatening the use of lethal force? Was the store relatively empty? Was the line of fire clear with a clear back drop? There are just too many unanswered questions of consequence for me to say whether he made the "right choice." And I put the "right choice" in question marks because I firmly believe, and I'm usually a black-and-white guy, that often there is no right choice. Often we have to make the best choice and live with it.
How would I feel if my actions precipitated a stray bullet taking out a kid? Just as bad as I'd feel if the crook ended up killing the clerk and running out with the money. No matter which way it went, I'm sure knowing I just killed another person would be a devastating thing to deal with. We can't always have the textbook case and decision to make. We see the situation, assess the risks, and take action. IN this case, the guy took action, the crime was stopped and no bystanders were hurt. I'd call that successful.
I'll assume that the story is factual, as far as it goes. The conclusion is that the customer was within the law to take action with lethal force, which he applied with success in stopping the robbery and potential murder.
Since I don't know all of the circumstances, I can't say what I would have done. I think so many elements I would use to make a decision are missing from the story that I can't decide what I would have done. Was the guy acting as if he was on drugs? Was he verbally threatening the use of lethal force? Was the store relatively empty? Was the line of fire clear with a clear back drop? There are just too many unanswered questions of consequence for me to say whether he made the "right choice." And I put the "right choice" in question marks because I firmly believe, and I'm usually a black-and-white guy, that often there is no right choice. Often we have to make the best choice and live with it.
How would I feel if my actions precipitated a stray bullet taking out a kid? Just as bad as I'd feel if the crook ended up killing the clerk and running out with the money. No matter which way it went, I'm sure knowing I just killed another person would be a devastating thing to deal with. We can't always have the textbook case and decision to make. We see the situation, assess the risks, and take action. IN this case, the guy took action, the crime was stopped and no bystanders were hurt. I'd call that successful.
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JW1200 Thanks for the vote.
