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Feb 27, 2012 | 04:56 AM

#131

dothedoo

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Originally Posted by baka1969

Actually you have it backward. Most of the priests are bad. They were either participants in the child molestations or had a hand in covering up and making excuses. That's the textbook definition of a conspiracy. I am not putting down the religion or beliefs. I am condeming a system that willingly invites and covers up such atrocities. Now if you are saying that the 1% clubs do the same, so be it. But I doubt that was your intention.

Come on....."most priests are bad"? That's nonsense.

You seem kinda butt hurt by the Catholic Church. Were you?

Feb 27, 2012 | 04:57 AM

#132

bryanmcdan

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10,667 cases, 640 convictions.....in 52 years. 1/3 of those convictions were from 1993-2001 and another third from 2002-2003...about the time people started realizing law suits were great ways to earn money. Also, 3,300 weren't investigated because the claims were made after the accused person had died. Personally, I highly doubt all of those were legitimate. Again, I'm not supporting what happened or saying these are "acceptable" numbers in any way (anything over 0 isn't acceptable, but that's not the world we live in), but you're accusing the Catholic Church of inviting child predators into their priesthood as if it's a buffet. It really does seem like you've got it out for the Catholic administration to be honest, but I'll take you at your word (it's beyond understandable to be this upset about such abuse).

And as for the "Most priests are bad." comment......the highest estimate I found from any kind of reliable source was 5% over those 52 years............now I'm not a math major, but I'm pretty sure that's less than what anyone would consider "most."

Feb 27, 2012 | 05:06 AM

#133

baka1969

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Originally Posted by bryanmcdan

By almost all accounts those figures are just a small portion of the actual numbers. If you think that's acceptable, good for you. I, for one, find it appalling. Add the coverups and those priests who knew and did nothing. It's shameful. You can be pleased with it (I don't believe you actually are), but I am not. As I said before, I am not Catholic.

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Feb 27, 2012 | 07:33 AM

#134

Then Came Bronson

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Originally Posted by bryanmcdan

If you're going to post inflammatory information about someone or some organization, how about a little evidence to back up your statements.

I don't give a **** about you badmouthing the Catholic Church, but since you're throwing around a lot of BIG, specific numbers here…name your source, and provide a link please.

Feb 27, 2012 | 08:10 AM

#135

baka1969

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Originally Posted by Then Came Bronson

His stated numbers are accurate and readily available.

Feb 27, 2012 | 08:25 AM

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bryanmcdan

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I wasn't badmouthing anyone man....quite the opposite, actually. Look up the John Jay Report for figures. It would be nice if a couple of you would read the whole post before replying, or maybe I'm just not being clear enough. I don't find ANY child abuse acceptable (I was a victim at 11, so it's not a small matter to me at all) but I don't think the Catholic Church is seeking to build an army of child molesters either.

Feb 27, 2012 | 08:58 AM

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baka1969

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Originally Posted by bryanmcdan

If you read the last post I responded to you, I said I didn't believe you thought it was acceptable. However, with the known figures, the high likelyhood that those numbers are grossly under reported, the fact that the Catholic Church tried to sweep it under the rug, AND other priests that knew what was going on and chose to be blind to those atrocities makes priests untrustworthy. These are people that are supposed to be (theoretically) more trusted than the average person. Your number is 5%. An underreported 5%. It could be twice or three times (or more) than that. Double that with the amount of priests that knew. Can't we see this as a fundamental problem within the institution?

As I said before and will repeat, I would sooner entrust a 1%er with my children. I would doubt that there are anywhere near the low estimated 5% within the MC community.