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In this case, the stem needed to be out to allow combustion air in.
I sprayed some near the stem and with the residue from previous attempts, it popped on and it's tighter than a bulls bunghole in fly season!!
Thanks for all the replies, and always keep a can of starting fluid on the shelf!
i've always thought the valve core was supposed to be removed to set the bead.....
I've only installed a handful of motorcycle tires, but I've always been able to seat the bead with the valve core installed. I just make sure that I have the drop center valley lubed up with tire paste and roll/bounce the tire to ensure I'm getting a fairly good tire seal so the air doesn't leak out as I inflate the tire with air. I also place some tire lube on the edges of the tire.
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