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The concept of truth is something that alludes you
Originally Posted by lyork
Howard Messner ...you already owe me money on your previous bet with me. You still have not paid. Make good on that bet before you want to throw down another.
The ohlin is a good to great shock for our bikes, just like almost everything else out there, some things could be improved. Would the design of the adjusting collar stop me from buying an Ohlin...not really. But I would exercise caution when trying to adjust them. This thread shows that issue, another thread shows why this happens.
I have never bet with you on anything nor would I ever talk with you over the phone, I would only do so with written documentation. I have called you out an every one of your erroneous claims and you always side stepped the issue by going to a different false claim. The concept of truth is something that alludes you. I wish you to quit trying to communicate with me through PM's and e-Mails..
We both show up and place a legal wager , one with a written contract. Show up, sign the legal contract and Q.C. Metallurgical Inc writes a report on if the aluminum Ohlins shock are hard anodized or not. This concept is fairly easy to understand. I already have a legal and binding enforceable contract waiting on you. There is nothing more to talk about. Prove your point or not.
From the link - Clear anodized aluminum refers to aluminum that has gone through the clear anodized process. However, the clear anodization of aluminum does not literally mean that the aluminum becomes clear but rather refers to the fact that the aluminum undergoes an undyed anodization process. The actual appearance of clear anodized aluminum ranges from an extremely light shade of gray to a dark, richer color. The thicker the coating is, the darker the color will also be. The clear anodized aluminum process involves washing the metal with specific chemicals for the process. More specifically, the process of anodization involves aluminum being submerged into solvent baths where chemicals like sodium hydroxide, ammonium bifluoride, and other acids may be used. To sum up, the clear anodized aluminum ends up having a heavier oxide layer as a result.
I'm not an expert, just an enthusiast. My understanding is you can "clear" anodize aluminum. From the above I gleaned that it simply means a thinner coating. I could be wrong.
Since I last posted on this thread I have gone to a different shock manufacturer. I will say that I prefer the larger adjustment collar to the thin ring on Ohlins. That wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, but I agree that from a consumer standpoint, it could be improved. From an engineering standpoint? Couldn't say - I'm not an engineer.
Last edited by nevada72; May 22, 2018 at 08:35 AM.
I told you I need to service my own customers. I work all days of the week and have no time to do anything else. I was being political correct and I did not communicate what I was thinking however (my mistake).
I will make the first thing I do is to talk with Gary at OhlinsUSA who will be the person to approve a complementary free body change because you trashed your own shocks through customer abuse. Give me until 9am tomorrow to make the call.
Let me explain:
Everyone who purchases a shock from me gets instructions on how not to do this before the shocks are paid for and shipped. Getting a customer to read them is another story. I also request/suggest for any of my customers to call me prior to shock installation regardless of the day but within reasonable hours (8am~10pm EST/7 days a week).
What you did do: You did not keep your threads clean and you did not remove, by flushing out the dirt, on the threads of the shocks and in between the spring pre-load collar. Common sense.
When you try and turn a nut over a dirty shock or for that matter any nut/bolt it will jam. In the case of an aluminum thready body & a nut, the hard dirt will cause the aluminum threads to deform and gouge than stop the nut from turning. The next thing that happens is under more applied torque, the threads get torn out and further jams the nut.
This is not the fault of the shock and is purely customer abuse of a product, but people do not want to hear the truth, in these cases "The customer is always right" should be the path chosen. News: If you introduce dirt in between threads you are going to have problems.
When I get my customers who do not force the nut I remove the spring with a spring compressor than take a milling machine and cut the spring collar off, inspect the threads and if they are
Undamaged:Replace the spring pre-load collar,
Damaged: take the offending shock apart and replace the shock body, than reassemble.
This is what it looks like.
amen, a little common sense goes a long way, coming from the dirt bike world this is common knowledge, heck some shocks have plastic adjuster rings, always, start with clean threads and a shot of lubrication is your friend, not Ohlins fault, some people can screw up a wet dream
Last edited by mikes300; May 22, 2018 at 08:59 AM.
amen, a little common sense goes a long way, coming from the dirt bike world this is common knowledge, heck some shocks have plastic adjuster rings, always, start with clean threads and a shot of lubrication is your friend, not Ohlins fault, some people can screw up a wet dream
yeah..the plastic adjustment collars are preferable over the design of the Ohlins.
From the link - Clear anodized aluminum refers to aluminum that has gone through the clear anodized process. However, the clear anodization of aluminum does not literally mean that the aluminum becomes clear but rather refers to the fact that the aluminum undergoes an undyed anodization process. The actual appearance of clear anodized aluminum ranges from an extremely light shade of gray to a dark, richer color. The thicker the coating is, the darker the color will also be. The clear anodized aluminum process involves washing the metal with specific chemicals for the process. More specifically, the process of anodization involves aluminum being submerged into solvent baths where chemicals like sodium hydroxide, ammonium bifluoride, and other acids may be used. To sum up, the clear anodized aluminum ends up having a heavier oxide layer as a result.
I'm not an expert, just an enthusiast. My understanding is you can "clear" anodize aluminum. From the above I gleaned that it simply means a thinner coating. I could be wrong.
Since I last posted on this thread I have gone to a different shock manufacturer. I will say that I prefer the larger adjustment collar to the thin ring on Ohlins. That wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, but I agree that from a consumer standpoint, it could be improved. From an engineering standpoint? Couldn't say - I'm not an engineer.
Color varies depending on material..we can dye it darker, but we can’t go lighter. It’s a chemical process that reacts with the material base elements
Either show up and prove your case or not. You can keep on putting out erroneous information all day long but in the end the proof is doing it. Bring whatever you want and I will match it. If you are so sure that Ohlins does not Hard Anodize their shocks including the inside bore than you would just accept this Florida Legal wager on Performance. Either show up and prove your case or not!
Either show up and prove your case or not. You can keep on putting out erroneous information all day long but in the end the proof is doing it. Bring whatever you want and I will match it. If you are so sure that Ohlins does not Hard Anodize their shocks including the inside bore than you would just accept this Florida Legal wager on Performance. Either show up and prove your case or not!
Lets make this real easy...YOU GO HAVE THE TEST PERFORMED AND POST RESULTS HERE. After all, Im not the one profiting off of these shocks.
My adjuster rings became almost impossible to adjust even tho the threads on my Ohlins looked clean. I backed the adjuster rings off, cleaned and lubricated with Prolink, (chain lubricant) used on high performance road bikes. It bonds to metal surfaces, dries clean, does not build up or become tacky, and sheds dirt. My adjuster rings are smooth as butter now.
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The concept of truth is something that alludes you
