2007 Ultra Heat.
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RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
I got a call fromthe service manager, 2007 Ultra's can run between 236 to 292 degrees front head temperature and be within spec.My Ultrafalls into that range after a "14 mile" test ride, it came in at 267 on an 80 degree day.
He called Harley tech and there is nothing they will do. The Harley tech, off the record ,did recommend removing the lowers for the summer. With the lowers on the bike, the engine gets plenty of air across it to keep the temperature down, but they restrict air flow to the rider and passanger, duh.
The service manager, for the money, doesn't recommend a SERT, stage 1 download or an oil cooler.He felt anything Harley had to offer in fuel management, in his mind, was still too lean. PCIII is what heis recommending. Whether he puts it on or I put it on, didn't matter. Warranty, he will still honor it, unless the aftermarket part clearly caused the problem, a lean condition. My concern on this is, I feel comfortable with his word, but what happens when I'm half way across the country and I breakdown, will that dealer void my warranty?
I think we are entering new ground, before we could go with all Harley parts to improve the performance of our bikes, and the dealers played along, which if your warranty was a concern all Harley parts was the least risky choice. Now the Harley options in most cases won't do and aftermarket becomes the choice, some dealers are ok with this and others won't be.
Oh yeah, advice on best place to buy a PCIII?
He called Harley tech and there is nothing they will do. The Harley tech, off the record ,did recommend removing the lowers for the summer. With the lowers on the bike, the engine gets plenty of air across it to keep the temperature down, but they restrict air flow to the rider and passanger, duh.
The service manager, for the money, doesn't recommend a SERT, stage 1 download or an oil cooler.He felt anything Harley had to offer in fuel management, in his mind, was still too lean. PCIII is what heis recommending. Whether he puts it on or I put it on, didn't matter. Warranty, he will still honor it, unless the aftermarket part clearly caused the problem, a lean condition. My concern on this is, I feel comfortable with his word, but what happens when I'm half way across the country and I breakdown, will that dealer void my warranty?
I think we are entering new ground, before we could go with all Harley parts to improve the performance of our bikes, and the dealers played along, which if your warranty was a concern all Harley parts was the least risky choice. Now the Harley options in most cases won't do and aftermarket becomes the choice, some dealers are ok with this and others won't be.
Oh yeah, advice on best place to buy a PCIII?
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RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
The service manager ain't telling you the whole truth. The SERT does allow one to richen up the mixture. Granted the stock maps that it comes with still are pretty lean, but you can change the AFR with the SERT. I had mine dyno'd with the SERT I had and richened it up a lot. with an oil cooler and stage 1 add-ons it runs a bunch cooler, plus performs much better (with lowers on). Sounds like he is trying to sell the PCs he has in stock and isn't smart enough to work the SERT.
Cruiser
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RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
The oil temp may be the same with the lowers on but, trust me the rider is lots cooler with them off. Even with the heat shield you could feel the heat just hanging around your legs when riding, because the lowers are restricting the air. When the weather started to warm here in TN, I looked at my bike and took everything that would restrict air to me off. It has changed me and the bikes relationship from "Love - hate" to Love Love. I now am riding with no lowers, no fairing deflectors and when just cruising back rodes a short wind shield. When I hit the rode for a long trip I put the stock shield on.
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RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
ORIGINAL: Hog Yild
I got a call fromthe service manager, 2007 Ultra's can run between 236 to 292 degrees front head temperature and be within spec.My Ultrafalls into that range after a "14 mile" test ride, it came in at 267 on an 80 degree day.
He called Harley tech and there is nothing they will do. The Harley tech, off the record ,did recommend removing the lowers for the summer. With the lowers on the bike, the engine gets plenty of air across it to keep the temperature down, but they restrict air flow to the rider and passanger, duh.
The service manager, for the money, doesn't recommend a SERT, stage 1 download or an oil cooler.He felt anything Harley had to offer in fuel management, in his mind, was still too lean. PCIII is what heis recommending. Whether he puts it on or I put it on, didn't matter. Warranty, he will still honor it, unless the aftermarket part clearly caused the problem, a lean condition. My concern on this is, I feel comfortable with his word, but what happens when I'm half way across the country and I breakdown, will that dealer void my warranty?
I think we are entering new ground, before we could go with all Harley parts to improve the performance of our bikes, and the dealers played along, which if your warranty was a concern all Harley parts was the least risky choice. Now the Harley options in most cases won't do and aftermarket becomes the choice, some dealers are ok with this and others won't be.
Oh yeah, advice on best place to buy a PCIII?
I got a call fromthe service manager, 2007 Ultra's can run between 236 to 292 degrees front head temperature and be within spec.My Ultrafalls into that range after a "14 mile" test ride, it came in at 267 on an 80 degree day.
He called Harley tech and there is nothing they will do. The Harley tech, off the record ,did recommend removing the lowers for the summer. With the lowers on the bike, the engine gets plenty of air across it to keep the temperature down, but they restrict air flow to the rider and passanger, duh.
The service manager, for the money, doesn't recommend a SERT, stage 1 download or an oil cooler.He felt anything Harley had to offer in fuel management, in his mind, was still too lean. PCIII is what heis recommending. Whether he puts it on or I put it on, didn't matter. Warranty, he will still honor it, unless the aftermarket part clearly caused the problem, a lean condition. My concern on this is, I feel comfortable with his word, but what happens when I'm half way across the country and I breakdown, will that dealer void my warranty?
I think we are entering new ground, before we could go with all Harley parts to improve the performance of our bikes, and the dealers played along, which if your warranty was a concern all Harley parts was the least risky choice. Now the Harley options in most cases won't do and aftermarket becomes the choice, some dealers are ok with this and others won't be.
Oh yeah, advice on best place to buy a PCIII?
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RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
It's called an air-cooled bike.....they run HOT. If you wanted something that wouldn't roast you or your passenger nearly as much, you should have bought a liquid cooled bike. The '07 EG classic I rented stalled 3 times in stop and go in 90 degree traffic and was like riding a furnace.
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RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
ORIGINAL: skater69
It's called an air-cooled bike.....they run HOT. If you wanted something that wouldn't roast you or your passenger nearly as much, you should have bought a liquid cooled bike. The '07 EG classic I rented stalled 3 times in stop and go in 90 degree traffic and was like riding a furnace.
It's called an air-cooled bike.....they run HOT. If you wanted something that wouldn't roast you or your passenger nearly as much, you should have bought a liquid cooled bike. The '07 EG classic I rented stalled 3 times in stop and go in 90 degree traffic and was like riding a furnace.
Your post isn't real brilliant, espcially as a reply to mine.
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RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
ORIGINAL: Hog Yild
The wife and I justfinished up a 250 mile,mostly country road, 55 to 70 mph, trip on Sunday.it was around 80 degrees out. After the ride I was cleaning up the bike andnoticed that the Kuryakyn Saddle Shield on the left side has been hot enough to melt and bubble close to the exhaust heat shield. The plastic is bubbled and almost ready to drip. There is about a half inch of clearance between the two. Anyone else have this problem?
I'm going to the dealer today for my 1000 mile service. I've had both recalls, the torque smoothing download and the temperature monitoring download, the bike is completely stock at this point. Other than the additional heat, I'm very happy with this bike.
My wife has noticed that this Ultra does run quite a bit hotter on her legs than earlier year Ultra's. It's almost too uncomfortable, we have been stopping about every 45 minutes, to give her some relief from the heat. Have any of you heard the same form your wife or girlfriends?
The wife and I justfinished up a 250 mile,mostly country road, 55 to 70 mph, trip on Sunday.it was around 80 degrees out. After the ride I was cleaning up the bike andnoticed that the Kuryakyn Saddle Shield on the left side has been hot enough to melt and bubble close to the exhaust heat shield. The plastic is bubbled and almost ready to drip. There is about a half inch of clearance between the two. Anyone else have this problem?
I'm going to the dealer today for my 1000 mile service. I've had both recalls, the torque smoothing download and the temperature monitoring download, the bike is completely stock at this point. Other than the additional heat, I'm very happy with this bike.
My wife has noticed that this Ultra does run quite a bit hotter on her legs than earlier year Ultra's. It's almost too uncomfortable, we have been stopping about every 45 minutes, to give her some relief from the heat. Have any of you heard the same form your wife or girlfriends?
The best thing to do is get an air filter kit, full "True Dual" pipes, PCIII, and most importantly a dyno tune. Also make sure you have each cylinder tuned individualy. I had the tunner give the rear a little more fuel in the lower range to help cooling. My bike now runs perfect and the wife no longer has complaints of burnt calfs. We went to Laughlin for the river run and our first day there washard on the wife. I took it over to the Lucas Oil Dyno in Bullhead the next morning to have all of the above changes done, and the wife thanked me. Things have been perfect since. BTW I currently have a Street Glide which is my second 07 and I can say from my experience they all have the heat problem.
RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
Good post Hound Dog. Similar to what I have been saying in other posts. I'm glad to see a lot of people here are reasonable and understand that the problem is the result of the EPA and not Harley. Therefore, lets all try not to make such a big deal about why Harley "hasn't fixed this yet" etc. Yes it costs us a few extra bucks above the price of the bike but we all have fun doing/discussing the modifications. Until everyone in the world has to comply with the same EPA standards, I say screw 'em. The reasoning is that we are letting the Chinese, Indians, Africans etc "catch up" to us economically. Therefore, they are all allowed to pollute at much higher levels than we are. This also happens to be the main reason that they are able to manufacture so many products cheaper than we can. They don't have the EPA, OSHA etc breathing down their necks and costing them money. This allows them an unfair advantage. I better put the keyboard down now...
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RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
I just went on a 350 mile trip after making my mods (see below) and it ran cool. The key is the addition of a fuel management system as the others on this thread have stated. Only hot at stoplights (nothing you can really do here).
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Road Master
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From: Virginia
RE: 2007 Ultra Heat.
I wanted the bike checkout first making sure the bike is running within specs. The 07's run hotter, that a given.
My plans are to add a SE A/C and a PCIII to start with. We have owned and still own a loud bike. This one we are setting up for long trips and it's kinda nice to be able to hear at the end of a ride. Both of us have had some hearing lost over the years of riding. I would like to find somemufflers that aren't much, if any louder than stock, but give some added power. I don't want to lose any torque.
My plans are to add a SE A/C and a PCIII to start with. We have owned and still own a loud bike. This one we are setting up for long trips and it's kinda nice to be able to hear at the end of a ride. Both of us have had some hearing lost over the years of riding. I would like to find somemufflers that aren't much, if any louder than stock, but give some added power. I don't want to lose any torque.