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Road Warrior
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Under the settlement, Harley-Davidson:
- will immediately stop selling the tuners, buy back all of the tuners in stock at their dealerships and destroy the tuners.
- obtain certification from the California Air Resources Board for any tuners it sells in the future. These certifications will demonstrate that new tuners do not cause their motorcycles to exceed their certified emissions limits.
- will conduct tests on tuner-equipped motorcycles and provide the results to EPA to guarantee that their motorcycles remain in compliance with EPA certification requirements for emissions.
- will also ensure that all of its future motorcycle models intended for sale in the United States are fully certified by EPA.
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From: Memphis, TN
Good fortune may be headed your way, this is how mine went down last March, guy pulled out in front of me on my '97 road king, I was doing about 30mph, I was so pissed that I let it happen but the car was in a parking lot and the cars in the right lane were backed up and evidently a van left space for the guy to exit the parking lot, he did, I lost bounced right out in front of me. Insurance payout $11,500, savage value of bike $5,500, I let em have the bike, got into an '09 for $9,500.
P.S. you'll probably be gun-shy for quite a while, I know I was, took forever for me to loosen my grips on the handlebars, but its all good now on my new ride!
P.S. you'll probably be gun-shy for quite a while, I know I was, took forever for me to loosen my grips on the handlebars, but its all good now on my new ride!
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From: in a cave at the foothills
Couple weeks ago I got a new M8 Road Glide and by far the nicest Harley I have ever ridden. Power, handling, suspension are all awesome to say the least. I went with RC headers and slip ons, SE breather and tuner. Asked the salesman (have known him few years) about the warranty. Told me HD has had the warranty disclaimer since 72. Could it be upheld by a dealership? Yes. But this dealership will not. If you are not ready to buy one don't test ride one. I keep telling people that for good reason.
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Tourer
Joined: Oct 2013
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From: pennsylvania
Good fortune may be headed your way, this is how mine went down last March, guy pulled out in front of me on my '97 road king, I was doing about 30mph, I was so pissed that I let it happen but the car was in a parking lot and the cars in the right lane were backed up and evidently a van left space for the guy to exit the parking lot, he did, I lost bounced right out in front of me. Insurance payout $11,500, savage value of bike $5,500, I let em have the bike, got into an '09 for $9,500.
P.S. you'll probably be gun-shy for quite a while, I know I was, took forever for me to loosen my grips on the handlebars, but its all good now on my new ride!
P.S. you'll probably be gun-shy for quite a while, I know I was, took forever for me to loosen my grips on the handlebars, but its all good now on my new ride!
Road Warrior
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: SW Burbs of Chicago
I got rear ended last year and still recovering from shoulder surgery in June of this year. My advice: Let them have the bike less the accessories you can and want to transfer to next bike.
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From: Westchester, NY
Doesn't apply as there was a deal between the EPA and Harley when the EPA cracked down on HD. You can only use CARB approved equipment if the Harley dealers does the mods, use after market non-CARB approved equipment and HD has to void your warranty.
Under the settlement, Harley-Davidson:https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/harl...act-settlement
Under the settlement, Harley-Davidson:
- will immediately stop selling the tuners, buy back all of the tuners in stock at their dealerships and destroy the tuners.
- obtain certification from the California Air Resources Board for any tuners it sells in the future. These certifications will demonstrate that new tuners do not cause their motorcycles to exceed their certified emissions limits.
- will conduct tests on tuner-equipped motorcycles and provide the results to EPA to guarantee that their motorcycles remain in compliance with EPA certification requirements for emissions.
- will also ensure that all of its future motorcycle models intended for sale in the United States are fully certified by EPA.
Putting a FP3 on your bike and tuning it takes it out of OEM specs and is no longer protected under MM. MM and the consent decree have nothing to do with one another. Plus there is that warranty disclaimer about making performance mods and all of that.
There is enough reading on this subject in just about every sub forum on HDF. It'll keep you busy for a few days...nobody really understands it, every dealer gives you a different answer, and every employee within a given dealer will give you a different answer. We're basically left to interpret everything on our own and hope it works out. Reminds me of NYS gun laws.
Road Warrior
Joined: Sep 2013
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From: Oklahoma
No, MM doesn't apply because MM only covers the consumer from using aftermarket parts that meet OEM specs.
Putting a FP3 on your bike and tuning it takes it out of OEM specs and is no longer protected under MM. MM and the consent decree have nothing to do with one another. Plus there is that warranty disclaimer about making performance mods and all of that.
There is enough reading on this subject in just about every sub forum on HDF. It'll keep you busy for a few days...nobody really understands it, every dealer gives you a different answer, and every employee within a given dealer will give you a different answer. We're basically left to interpret everything on our own and hope it works out. Reminds me of NYS gun laws.
Putting a FP3 on your bike and tuning it takes it out of OEM specs and is no longer protected under MM. MM and the consent decree have nothing to do with one another. Plus there is that warranty disclaimer about making performance mods and all of that.
There is enough reading on this subject in just about every sub forum on HDF. It'll keep you busy for a few days...nobody really understands it, every dealer gives you a different answer, and every employee within a given dealer will give you a different answer. We're basically left to interpret everything on our own and hope it works out. Reminds me of NYS gun laws.
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Tourer
Joined: Oct 2013
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From: pennsylvania
aint that the truth. Anything to benefit them. Im just ready to get this stuff over with figure out whats goin on with my bike to figure out what im gonna do bike wise. Im sure with gettin surgery on my wrist im gonna have plenty of time to.dream. to the guy that was rear ended did there insurance company take care of medical bills and did they offer a settlement?
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