What are the approved slip on exhaust pipes for the HD Limited 2017

 

You can put on any mufflers you want. You're not tampering with emissions so it will have no effect on the warranty.

 

Good luck getting a solid answer! Tons of threads about the EPA agreement and the HD warranty.

The agreement specifically says that HD agrees to void the powertrain warranty on any HD that has a non epa compliant fuel tuner. It clearly states that.

Lots of other folks reporting that they've heard even non epa compliant slipons would cause HD to void the warranty.

Honestly, who knows at this point?

 

Really, this is false. Read your owners manual. The warranty clearly states that any aftermarket performance part, including mufflers will void your power train warranty. Its not unclear in any way.

Whether that is true in a practical sense is hard to say

 

Go to the M8 Forum and check out some threads like this one.....

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...e-is-real.html

But wait!! There's more!! There are many hours of reading for you knowledge and pleasure with other similar threads as well too!

Then you'll be as thoroughly confused as the rest of us...... lol.

 

Thats a well kept secret. You will not find out till you take your bike in for repairs and they see your non SE slipons. At that point, the dealer will tell you the answer. If you dont like their answer, go to another dealer, cause it may be different.

 

So the dealership installed slip on pipes on my 2016 Electra glide before I bought the bike new. If the logic of the thread is correct, then the dealership voided my warranty before I purchased the bike brand new? Seems hard to believe.

 

this current epa issue is with 2017 bikes and Harley and their dealers enforcement and fines

but if u read enough it always been illegal to tamper with this be it noise laws or emissions

 

Those are the two documents involved with warranty claims....... really not that confusing, but a lot of misinformation around...

In a nutshell.....

The EPA agreement (consent decree) deals with the tune/tuner being EPA compliant, or the MoCo MUST void the powertrain warranty, regardless of what caused the powertrain issue.. It doesn't mention/require anything about other parts/products.

The catch....
Almost any performance mod, stage I through Stage V, will require a retune... if you do it with a non-compliant tuner (HD having the only one at this point), you will have your powertrain warranty voided and the bike tagged, if it is reported/discovered by the MoCo when a warranty claim is filed....

The HD Limited Warranty for many years has had exceptions that allow for the MoCo to void a warranty claim when any performance part is added to the bike, that is not approved by the MoCo.. ('17 Warranty, "Exclusions" #3 & 4 and "Other Limitations" #4 & 5)... these exceptions don't "require" the MoCo to deny a claim like the consent decree does, rather it means the MoCo "may" deny a claim based on these exceptions..

The catch...
In the past, the MoCo has been really, really lax with these exceptions. They wanted to sell bikes, and the aftermarket helped them to do that. So in all but the most extreme cases, no one ever heard of a muffler, head pipe, Air cleaner, or many cams, violating a warranty claim...


The confusion...
With the EPA Consent decree, the MoCo must report warranty cases to the EPA, this has caused the MoCo to be absolute with tuners, and more "by the book" with the warranty exclusions & other limitations..

Further confusion... Dealers want to sell bikes. They will say, do, and "role-the-dice" on your behalf to get a sale... but since the warranty is by the MoCo, not the dealer, sometimes a dealer loses that gamble, and the new owner is caught holding the bag..... Many dealers will also "fudge" on paperwork for warranty claims to get it past the MoCo. Then if it turns into a major claim, and the MoCo inspects the bike, the owner loses.....

FYI... No, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act will not force the MoCo to prove your performance part caused the issue, before they can deny a warranty claim. That is for OEM spec parts only... as soon as you add a part that allows the vehicle to operate outside it's OEM designed specifications (includes any non-EPA approved muffler, Air cleaner, etc), the MMA does not apply..

FWIW...

 

Fantastic summary, thanks!