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Old Jul 22, 2018 | 06:00 PM
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A buddy of mine with a 2013 Road glide is getting his computer jail broke for his modifications. He has stock pipes with the baffles removed, cat removed, a header and I believe stock air intake. What he is doing is he is getting someone to jail break his computer, map the computer to match his set up and getting a dyno on the bike. He called me to see what I knew about this and I had nothing. I am posting to see if anyone in here has experience with this.

I suggested that he go with a vance and hines FP3, but this is the route he is going.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2018 | 06:16 PM
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I would like to know more about how he plans to "Jailbreak" his ECM and what he expects to realize over purchasing a purpose built tuner such as FP3? Harley allows aftermarket tuners as well as their SEPST to access and reprogram the ECM. Having used the SEPST you can also read diagnostic codes, turn on/off ACR's, change timing. What functionality is he missing and what does he plan to use?
 

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Old Jul 22, 2018 | 06:32 PM
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He told me that what he is doing will cost MORE than an FP3. I am at a loss as to why he is going this way, but he did ask me what I knew about it. Like I said, I had nothing. curious myself to see what he has done. some shop is doing the work for him.
 
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He should ask his shop to be more specific about what they plan to do for him? The terminology I am most familiar with is "Tuning". Jailbreaking implies they are gaining root access to install 3rd party software. I suspect they are using terminology that is more germain to a cell phone than a Harley ECM?
 
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Old Jul 22, 2018 | 06:44 PM
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He would probably be time and money ahead going SDS, Megasquirt, or the like
.The systems are totally adjustable
 
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their are a few "tuners" out their that have found ways to break into the ecm or unlock software from aftermarket tuners. dont think i would trust em to tune my ride.
 
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Technically, any tuner not made by Harley jailbreaks the ECM. But with so much proven tech out there, there is no way I would do that to my bike.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2018 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jclax01
He told me that what he is doing will cost MORE than an FP3. I am at a loss as to why he is going this way, but he did ask me what I knew about it. Like I said, I had nothing. curious myself to see what he has done. some shop is doing the work for him.
Will they replace his ECM if/when they f**k it up?
Does he realize that if he goes through with this he will be bound to this shop forever and ever?
IMO it's the height of stupidity to spend more money to go this direction when there are soooo many better options that have outstanding customer support and most tuners are familiar with for less money.
 
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Jailbreak was probably the easy way to explain it to a customer that otherwise wouldn't understand. "Oh, like the kid that jailbroke my phone? Gotcha!"
 
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Originally Posted by bigdumbnoitall00
their are a few "tuners" out their that have found ways to break into the ecm or unlock software from aftermarket tuners. dont think i would trust em to tune my ride.
Two choices if you want to tune a bike, especially now that the only HD tuner is very limited in its abilities and keeps the bike EPA compliant. The new HD tuner really limits the amount of work you can do to the bike, limits cam choice, and compression choice and exhaust choice.

If you want to build big power, you need a after market tuner. There are several, some better than others. Many like the FP3 for ease of use. If you really want the most capabilities and ability to adjust every aspect, the TTS tuner is the way to go.
 
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