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Old Jul 3, 2019 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RMC56
...I want to put on V&H power duals and Rinehart 4.5's, like I had on my street glide but I don't want to screw with parts of my warranty. Thanks in advance.
There is nothing in the EPA consent decree about non-Harley parts. There is, however, a requirement that you only use the Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner to tune the bike. Here's the kicker: the Pro Street tuner downloads tunes from the MoCo, and there are NO tunes for non-Harley parts. So, your two options are to use the Pro Street tuner and end up with a crappy-*** tune that doesn't take advantage of your new go-fast parts, or use another tuner, get the power you paid for, and void your powertrain warranty forever.

As far as the non-Harley parts, there's a Catch-22 clause in the legally binding warranty statement in your Owners Manual; the word "may." If you use non-Harley parts, it "may" void all or part of your warranty. So, the kicker there is: Is your dealer a dick or not. Only you know for sure. Even if your dealer is a great guy, that, obviously, gives you no sense of comfort if your bike craps out 1,000 miles from your home dealer.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2019 | 01:11 PM
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You should have come here first. Every post up until now is spot on with good information and advice with a couple of minor deficiencies (MM Act).
 
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Old Jul 3, 2019 | 01:23 PM
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There is nothing in the EPA consent decree about non-Harley parts. There is, however, a requirement that you only use the Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner to tune the bike. Here's the kicker: the Pro Street tuner downloads tunes from the MoCo, and there are NO tunes for non-Harley parts. So, your two options are to use the Pro Street tuner and end up with a crappy-*** tune that doesn't take advantage of your new go-fast parts, or use another tuner, get the power you paid for, and void your powertrain warranty forever.

As far as the non-Harley parts, there's a Catch-22 clause in the legally binding warranty statement in your Owners Manual; the word "may." If you use non-Harley parts, it "may" void all or part of your warranty. So, the kicker there is: Is your dealer a dick or not. Only you know for sure. Even if your dealer is a great guy, that, obviously, gives you no sense of comfort if your bike craps out 1,000 miles from your home dealer.
I think you have a little wrong information on your post. If the OP changed out to Power Duels, He would be removing the cats and would be technically breaking the law and this would also void his warranty. And I bet you the Power duels state for off road use only
 
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Old Jul 3, 2019 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cmhdwg09
Just want to slightly disagree. The H-D warranty was/is the only thing EPA had to hold over H-D ‘s head from an enforcement standpoint. EPA was not willing to accept HDs settlement unless there was someway to “guarantee” that bikes wouldn’t be immediately modified by customers and essentially undo all that EPA was trying to accomplish.
I understand what you're saying. Harley (and various others) have gotten themselves into trouble for selling non road legal performance parts to customers knowing they would be used on street bikes, encouraging their use on street bikes, and even installing them on street bikes. EPA has far more enforcement tools to use than just a warranty. Though they did use that as a tool to bring end users into compliance.

The likes of a Rinehart muffler is indeed part of the MM act, as it is essentially comparable to the oem part and most importantly does not create adverse effect. This is why you can install not only non-oem tires, but performance non-oem tires, without voiding your warranty. As well aftermarket rims, even of a different size. To void the warranty the manufacturer must substantiate that the non-oem part created the damage. An aftermarket wheel does not. But, an oversized aftermarket wheel that fouled the wiring harness could. At that, it could only void the warranty as far as the damage to the wiring harness goes, not to say leaking fork tube seals. Not that such a legal prohibition even slows down the likes of Harley when it comes to making sweeping denials of warranty claims.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2019 | 01:28 PM
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If Harley does deny what seems to the owner to be a legitimate warranty claim, what options do they have? Sue Harley-Davidson? LMAO!
 
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Old Jul 3, 2019 | 01:47 PM
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Who in their right mind is going to wait two years before modifications? Nervous Nellies and posers I guess. Two years of running lean with all the extra heat and lousy performance, punishing your baby by restricting air and fuel. It's kinda like child abuse...well not really. Zzzzzzzzzz. The odds are in your favor. Get the air cleaner, headpipe and mufflers you like, then tune it with a real tuner right after purchase. If not, enjoy the long wait. It's gonna be painful to pull up to all the other bikes for two years that have been modded properly while yours is still in stock form. Tsk tsk. Oh you have your warranty though. Guess that's somethin'. No guts no glory. Most of us say shove the warranty.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2019 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisenheimer16
Who in their right mind is going to wait two years before modifications? Nervous Nellies and posers I guess. Two years of running lean with all the extra heat and lousy performance, punishing your baby by restricting air and fuel. It's kinda like child abuse...well not really. Zzzzzzzzzz. The odds are in your favor. Get the air cleaner, headpipe and mufflers you like, then tune it with a real tuner right after purchase. If not, enjoy the long wait. It's gonna be painful to pull up to all the other bikes for two years that have been modded properly while yours is still in stock form. Tsk tsk. Oh you have your warranty though. Guess that's somethin'. No guts no glory. Most of us say shove the warranty.
I kind of feel the same way. But...my current riding buddy, who has more miles under his belt than I'll ever dream of having, has a stock 2017 Ultra Limited. Before that, he had a stock 2006 Ultra Classic. I can't even get the guy to install the Gremlin Bell I gave him, much less change to an aftermarket exhaust. To each their own, I guess.
 

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Yes I agree Sir...to each their own. God Bless America. Happy 4th everybody!
 
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Originally Posted by Wisenheimer16
Who in their right mind is going to wait two years before modifications? Nervous Nellies and posers I guess. Two years of running lean with all the extra heat and lousy performance, punishing your baby by restricting air and fuel. It's kinda like child abuse...well not really. Zzzzzzzzzz. The odds are in your favor. Get the air cleaner, headpipe and mufflers you like, then tune it with a real tuner right after purchase. If not, enjoy the long wait. It's gonna be painful to pull up to all the other bikes for two years that have been modded properly while yours is still in stock form. Tsk tsk. Oh you have your warranty though. Guess that's somethin'. No guts no glory. Most of us say shove the warranty.
I have never bought a new bike BUT if I did I would either go with HD parts right off the floor or I would wait till the warranty was over to modify the bike. I know a lot of people that do this. These bikes are not cheap...I would have a hard time spending $25 k on a bike, put some aftermarket parts on it and then have an issue with the result being a $25k paper weight ...But as they say ....to each their own......people need to make that call for themselves.
 
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Originally Posted by Scudda
I think you have a little wrong information on your post. If the OP changed out to Power Duels, He would be removing the cats and would be technically breaking the law and this would also void his warranty. And I bet you the Power duels state for off road use only
The non-EPA compliant exhaust system will only void his warranty if Harley-Davidson says it's void. There is nothing in the warranty statement that says "will." It says "may."

For other posters that are mentioning MM, that does NOT protect you if you do something illegal. In that case the MoCo does NOT have to prove that what you did caused a failure. All they have to do is say "Denied", and then you can go find an attorney. If you're feeling lucky.
 
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