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360 Brake Update Pt. 2
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Road Master
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RE: 360 Brake Update Pt. 2
So my regular wrench who is now working on this for me.. who WAS NOT the original installer, seems to think that the spacer that was cut is probaly too big... He tightened everything back up yesterday to make some room in his shop while I wait for the new parts to come in and he said once he had it all tightenedup the bike would barely roll... In fact when he rolled it into the shop yesterday he thought my tires were way underinflated due to the difficulty in pushing it... If that is indeed the case how the heck could I have put close to 6K on this system?? He also seems to agree with Sol... In that all other manufacturers either provide spacers or stock HD ones will work... If five identical RK's all with the same set-up need different spacers he feels somethings hinky.. Me?? I have no clue.. I will say though that Bart has taken care of this issue like no other and for that I am grateful!!
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RE: 360 Brake Update Pt. 2
Interesting news. My setup shipped yesterday.
I have been working with HogPro and have been in regular contact with Robert. They mocked up the wheels (same as Renegades as Fish I don't know how he knew I was getting these) and the 360 brake on another Road King that they had in the shop and machined the spacers accordingly.I know that they have sold many 360 brakes and will send him an email right now to see if they have every had any issues like this or with spacers not working with other bikes.
I understand what Bart is saying, but like Fish I find it hard to believe that the tolerances on this brake are such that a spacer can not be mocked up on one bike and be used on another. HD's tolerances are not that good and regular movement and wear in the front end will cause this brake to fail over time if this is the case.
Will update with the progress of my installation and conversation with Robert as I have new information.
Jeff
I have been working with HogPro and have been in regular contact with Robert. They mocked up the wheels (same as Renegades as Fish I don't know how he knew I was getting these) and the 360 brake on another Road King that they had in the shop and machined the spacers accordingly.I know that they have sold many 360 brakes and will send him an email right now to see if they have every had any issues like this or with spacers not working with other bikes.
I understand what Bart is saying, but like Fish I find it hard to believe that the tolerances on this brake are such that a spacer can not be mocked up on one bike and be used on another. HD's tolerances are not that good and regular movement and wear in the front end will cause this brake to fail over time if this is the case.
Will update with the progress of my installation and conversation with Robert as I have new information.
Jeff
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RE: 360 Brake Update Pt. 2
Well like the rotor hat, the drawing is plus or minus .003, the front ends vary way more than that, depends on the trees, etc. The wheels are specs also less tolerant than the brake, so if everything is plus or minus the same direction you could end up with quite a bit of length, what is happening here is that the spacer is rubbing the bearing outer race and creating heat, we aren't talking that it is 1/2 long here, just enough to rub which creates heat....heat equals failure....am I making sense here. Spacers are machined to fit, I am all ears, and PLEASE don't think I am being defensive, I own a bunch of CNC machines that alot of guys here have seen. But even with tight tolerances, if they all stray the same way it's gonna be a problem. I am a long way from an engineer or machinist, but I employ a bunch of both. Anybody got any better ideas, I am all ears, we cannot think of a way to precut a spacer that would fit any one model, much less all models, and then the gazillion brands of wheels availble, who is to say that the specs dont vary wildly from batch to batch, and from manufacturer to manufacturer. Lots of varibles here, the bottom line is, measure twice, (bout 10 times in my case) and cut once.
Oh and one more HUGE variable is the chrome thickness.....cause all these parts with the exception of the spacer are chromed.......this is making my head hurt.
The good news is my partner got his stint and is doing great and will be back in the office on Monday.....
Oh and one more HUGE variable is the chrome thickness.....cause all these parts with the exception of the spacer are chromed.......this is making my head hurt.
The good news is my partner got his stint and is doing great and will be back in the office on Monday.....
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RE: 360 Brake Update Pt. 2
Bart, Thanks for being one of the rare retailers that still care. I was following this thread from the get-go. I have to admit I expected a different outcome. Not completelyfrom you but from the 360 company. It was great to see that youarewilling to stand behind your name even though the product was not yours. Most others would have told a customer to go chase the manufacturer. You don't see this often. This incident has convinced me to do all my future biz through you. I just wish you had some kind of catalog or etc.. so that I wouldn't bug you to death with window shopping, questions and/or pricing.
Thank You Bart! You're a stand up guy!
Thank You Bart! You're a stand up guy!
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RE: 360 Brake Update Pt. 2
Silly, you dont bother me at all, anything in the Drag,Custom chrome, or MC Advantages books, ask away, I like finding the obsolete or odd rare part, or making something else work just as well.
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RE: 360 Brake Update Pt. 2
Bart - I wouldn't kill yourself trying to figure out how to make a one size fits all spacer for this part. It just doesn't seem possible. Your proposal of providing a detailed instruction and video tutorial help free for anyone to use is the best possible option I could come up with. Maybe they could make the video and have it burned to a CD which would be included with the part and written install instructions.
If anyone wants to have an idea of the variance in HD front end spacing just look at a dealer floor. I found 3 touring bikes on my dealers floor that all looked to have different gaps between the front fender and the front tire. Not one of them was dead nuts centered. My new front wheel is 5/16 off center. Rotor is centered int he caliper, but the wheel isn't in the fender. Going to either take the easy way out and make a shim for the caliper and new wheel spacers, or make it complicated and shim the rotor and new wheel spacers. not sure yet.
The 360 is one bitchin product, but nobody should expect it to be a bolt on and ride part. Just my opinion.
If anyone wants to have an idea of the variance in HD front end spacing just look at a dealer floor. I found 3 touring bikes on my dealers floor that all looked to have different gaps between the front fender and the front tire. Not one of them was dead nuts centered. My new front wheel is 5/16 off center. Rotor is centered int he caliper, but the wheel isn't in the fender. Going to either take the easy way out and make a shim for the caliper and new wheel spacers, or make it complicated and shim the rotor and new wheel spacers. not sure yet.
The 360 is one bitchin product, but nobody should expect it to be a bolt on and ride part. Just my opinion.
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RE: 360 Brake Update Pt. 2
I never expected it to be a bolt on product, and I'm not sayin you are suggesting that I didBZ... Just wanted to clarify that.. I was well aware of the learning curve, and "R&D" that it would entail on my part... And I think that anyone who wants to deal with "custom" parts should be well aware that its gonna take some time...My buds all think I'm nuts for tryin new **** out...but I enjoy the process and believe it or not I'm enjoying this bit of learning too..I agree it is a bitchin product and like I said earlier... My bike STILL stopped!! There does seem to be alot more variables coming to the forefront now though... Time will tell... How exactly do I know we got it right the next time is my question I guess? The spacer i used wasn't chrome... But if I want a chrome one next time will that make a big enough difference to cause the same thing to happen? I have no idea..I'm no wrench... 
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RE: 360 Brake Update Pt. 2
Since your making these spacers from pvc pipe might I suggest using Delrin rod to make your spacers.It's easy to machine and holds up considerably better than pvc due to it's ability to handle heat and it's considerable strength.I have not seen the brake or the spacer so I,m going out on a limb here.Couldn't you radius the spacer end to avoid contact with the bearing race? If you could provide a rough pic of the set up,spacer ,and how it's contacting the bearing may'be that would help.Like I said I have not seen it so I,m just throwing out my thoughts.