Brake Fluid question
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I haven't seen any comments about this single purpose tool. About $190.
ITM HD2 ABS Flush Utility
http://infotechmercenary.com/
ITM HD2 ABS Flush Utility
http://infotechmercenary.com/
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From: Cleveland
That's interesting about the earlier comments regarding the app vs coming pre installed on a tablet for the ITM device. I just saw news about an android app that can replace the gs911 device for BMW motorcycles basically allowing the app to put it the motorcycle in maintenance modes including abs bleeding. I wonder what the difference is between the two systems that no one has something like this for newer harleys. Is this just a not enough demand thing? Is Harley too new to the abs and canbus game?
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There are cheaper tools that cycle the ABS many use them.
HD ABS is not the only Motorcycle ABS that requires the two year cycling with the flush. All the wish full thing will not change a thing. It must be cycled and it must be done right.
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I just reached out to twin tech and the twin tech 4 won't work on the newer ones either. They didn't really say much beyond that so doubt an update is in the works. Guess I need to open a shop so I can justify the other options. I am with the rest of you on not preferring to share tools. Never ends well.
That's interesting about the earlier comments regarding the app vs coming pre installed on a tablet for the ITM device. I just saw news about an android app that can replace the gs911 device for BMW motorcycles basically allowing the app to put it the motorcycle in maintenance modes including abs bleeding. I wonder what the difference is between the two systems that no one has something like this for newer harleys. Is this just a not enough demand thing? Is Harley too new to the abs and canbus game?
That's interesting about the earlier comments regarding the app vs coming pre installed on a tablet for the ITM device. I just saw news about an android app that can replace the gs911 device for BMW motorcycles basically allowing the app to put it the motorcycle in maintenance modes including abs bleeding. I wonder what the difference is between the two systems that no one has something like this for newer harleys. Is this just a not enough demand thing? Is Harley too new to the abs and canbus game?
Harley has had their ABS since 2006 and the canbus since 2011..... Certainly not new to the game....
I suspect it's a proprietary thing... I doubt Harley would actively support a third party to make a product that would take service calls away from their dealers....
Aftermarket tuner manufacturers like DynoJet and TTS are on their own when Harley comes out with a new ECM... They need to break the code themselves in order to make their products. The MoCo certainly doesn't give them the info they need to manipulate the HD ECM software.... In fact as the ECMs become newer, the MoCo makes them harder (more time consuming and costly) to hack into...
That's why the ITM ABS tool doesn't work on the 2020+ HD bikes.... They are a smaller company without the resources of DynoJet and TTS. It took DynoJet and TTS a little bit of time to hack into those newest ECMs, and they have some pretty smart and HD knowledgeable people working on that stuff...
The MoCo wants people to use their dealerships for parts and service... Unless there is something in it for them ($$$$$), they consider most other companies as their competition...
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Harley has had their ABS since 2006 and the canbus since 2011..... Certainly not new to the game....
The MoCo wants people to use their dealerships for parts and service... Unless there is something in it for them ($$$$$), they consider most other companies as their competition...
The MoCo wants people to use their dealerships for parts and service... Unless there is something in it for them ($$$$$), they consider most other companies as their competition...
Thanks for the conversation on this, it's interesting all the same.
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Yes....definitely an interesting subject. I absolutely DO believe H-D has a vested interest in making it increasingly more difficult to access or break their software codes. What reason would they have to do otherwise? Brakes and ABS components/controls are a critical part of safety systems on a motorcycle. It's not a stretch to think the MoCo does not prefer owners servicing their ABS systems, lest something goes badly wrong and a group of tort attorneys show up to sue. I'm certain that H-D has a lot of risk management built into every payroll, and it will not change in my lifetime. As bikes get ever more reliant on technology, chips, modules and software.... companies like H-D are silently working to be sure dealerships do the critical work and discourage owners from wrenching on or servicing some component groups. It's the exact same thing happening with every major automobile manufacturer, too.
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You probably know this but.....
It's been in the softail models since 2011.....
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Couple questions
Where are all the reports of ABS units failing?
Based on just what I read here, the amount is minuscule that resides in unit. How it can be bad is somewhat subjective/bewildering?
Does anyone cycle their automobile ABS when or if you bleed them? If not why not?
My suggestion of group/gang sharing is it stays in one place. Not passed around. I have no issues with buds bringing bike to my place and using any tools I have, particularly something such as this if we shared the costs. Hell, I entertained the idea of opening a shop just for people to wrench on bike, the shop provides all the tools, lifts, supplies, etc and pay a fee like to HD or Indy but less per hour.
Based on just what I read here, the amount is minuscule that resides in unit. How it can be bad is somewhat subjective/bewildering?
Does anyone cycle their automobile ABS when or if you bleed them? If not why not?
My suggestion of group/gang sharing is it stays in one place. Not passed around. I have no issues with buds bringing bike to my place and using any tools I have, particularly something such as this if we shared the costs. Hell, I entertained the idea of opening a shop just for people to wrench on bike, the shop provides all the tools, lifts, supplies, etc and pay a fee like to HD or Indy but less per hour.