in this instance you are talking about the preamble... not the constitution... the preamble is nothing more than a stated purpose, not the law... and domestic transquility is referring to violence, ie. war/invasion/security/etc... not peace and quiet....

 

This is getting good... LOL!
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Was it insure or ensure? nevermind...

 

The first problem as I see it is that most (not all) aftermarket pipes are marked with “off road or race track use only.” So by placing them on our bikes and riding on a public street is the first problem. So in reality there is no legal justification that any of us can use for having them on our bikes if we are operating them on a public street or highway. The wording from the manufacture would have to change.

I am guilty as the next guy, I have a 2003 Deuce with the HD Screamin Eagle 2 slip on mufflers and too me they are a bit too loud. Those pipes clearly stated in bold print “For race application only” I thought they were cool at first. Now I have a 07 Road Glide and I think the stock pipes sound good and plan to leave them on the bike. The only way I would change them is to help with the heating issue. Even then, I would only go with a quiet pipe.

I am 41 years old and I remember when I was 10 years old hearing these Harleys starting up at 0200 hours ( 2 am) on the weekend when they were leaving a local bar 4 blocks away. They would rev their engines and speed away and they would wake up the whole family. I thought it was king of cool but my parents and neighbors did not.

Being involved in law enforcement since I retired from the Marine Corps, I can say there is a growing interest in modified exhaust systems. Mostly it is centered on the import car scene but it has been mentioned about the Harleys as well as import motorcycles.

This day and age everyone has a computer along with Palm pilots and cell phones. People are real quick to call the city council and voice their concerns that require Police investigation. Those concerns are then expressed to the Chief and it makes its way down to the patrol level for investigation and enforcement action. Most concerns involving traffic are about speeders and stop sign violations in residential neighborhoods. There have been complaints concerning loud stereo systems and exhaust systems on vehicles.

To help those in California here is the CVC (California Vehicle Code) for exhaust systems: CVC 27151(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.

Another interesting vehicle code is: CVC 24004 No person shall operate any vehicle or combination of vehicles after notice by a peace officer, as defined in Section 830.1 or subdivision (a) of Section 830.2 of the Penal Code, that the vehicle is in an unsafe condition or is not equipped as required by this code, except as may be necessary to return the vehicle or combination of vehicles to the residence or place of business of the owner or driver or to a garage, until the vehicle and its equipment have been made to conform with the requirements of this code.

CVC 27202. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise limits shall apply to any motorcycle, other than a motor-driven cycle, manufactured:


(1) After 1969, and before 1973 ............ 88 dbA
(2) After 1972, and before 1975 ............ 86 dbA
(3) After 1974, and before 1986 ............ 83 dbA
(4) After 1985 ............................. 80 dbA


The above is just for information. I believe the times are changing as far as loud exhausts are concerned. They will not be tolerated

 

Just have to start showing up in court with your lawyer and demanding proof of valid db readings and proof that valid federally mandated testing procedures were indeed followed to the 'T' when you were pulled over.

I think what irks me the most about helmet laws, noise/exhaust laws, seat belt laws, et al is the fact that it all boils down to revenue generation for the local municipalities. Bottom line is they really don't care about ones ultimate health and/or safety, but it's easy to generate revenue with such frivalous laws on the books. They don't have to work at eliminating true crime, because that doesn't pay the bills....

In a country and a world that is faced with truly significant issues why are we ramping up our efforts to get people to wear helmets and make their motorcycles more quiet? Why is the next 'save myself from myself' action group getting so much attention in local, state, and federal legislature when organized crime, illegal immigration and all the related issues surrounding it, and oil price extortion truly affect the average citizen far more than whichever exhaust I happen to have on my motorcycle?

Why is the media outlets and those wanting to sterilize society being allowed to do so, all under the guise that 'they' know what's best for all of us?????? The sad facts is that those pushing these agendas have zero capacity for compromise of any kind. Take away all our rights and freedoms, dumb down society, and ignore the truly huge issues while focusing on meaningless minutia- just so those in power can feel good about themselves....disgusting....

 

I believe that the answer to our noise issue is to be proactive. We need to as a group begin to push for noise ordinances that affect lawnmowers,all automobiles, trucks, construction, all aircraft, music and any other loud noises. Perhaps if the community in general is faced with massive noise restrictions they will be much less inclined to pass any truly restrictive noise ordinances. It is really all about who's bull is being gored. Many of those pushing for restrictive noise ordinances are really not that concerned about the noise. What they want is to be in control of other people and force thier will on them. These are the same people that will scream in outrage if thier favorite past time is controlled. Some may like to fish. Go after the outboard motors. Some may have jet skiis. Go after them. Anything that emits a noise that can be heard from more than 50 feet should be targeted. This includes businesses and factories. Sometimes the best defense is a stong offense.

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What you listen to may be vulgar but it sure as hell isn't music by any description. Vulgar music is an oxymoron. C(RAP) is no more music then a bunch of people farting into the wind is, in fact farting may be more musical sounding then C(RAP), they both stink though.

 

First off, I don't listen to Rap. I hate rap. I don't know what you listen to, but being a musician myself and playing guitar and recording for close to 15 years now, I can honestly say that I listen to MUSIC. Just look at my avatar. I don't think anybody with any sense would argue that Zakk is a pretty talented musician. Some of my music has vulgarity yes, but I don't think that means it isn't music. Even guys like Cash and Charlie Daniels are/were vulgar at times. Are they not staples of American music? What say you sir?

 

I have no idea what your avatar is or what it means. When you mentioned vulgar music I thought you meant C(RAP), sorry about that and that's what I get for assuming. When I speak of vulgar music I mean vulgarity for the sake of vulgarity as is used in most C(RAP) titles and Hip Hop. I don't mean some swear words used by artists that you stated or many others that I know. One thing about a lot of the musicbeing produced in the last 10 or 15 years or so is that most of it will not even be remembered in the years to come. There is some good good music being produced but not very many songs that will last through the test of time. By the way, who the hell is Zakk? LOL JMHO

 

possibly one of the best metal guitarist going right now... Zakk Wylde, got popular after a stint as Ozzy's lead axe man... extremely talented guy...