Do you really want to be Muffled???
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Marietta, GA
RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
ORIGINAL: Chicago Spike
Sound exits the rear of the vehicle, the people that you saw turn were good drivers that were going to notice you if you were on a BMW putting out 5dB's of sound or your HD that puts out 557dB's of sound. It's been tested and proven false, as said, if quiet pipes kill you'd see Wingers having the highest kill ratio over any other bike. It just isn't so these days.
But, not here to argue, it's pointless as trying to switch someone from Dem to Rep.
ORIGINAL: ianchris1
While I understand the argument against bikes with loud pipes, here is what just irks me. Why don't lawmakers worry about what actually gets people killed instead of an annoyance? I have run loud pipes on all my bikes. If it pisses people off, so be it. The argument that loud pipes don't save lives is crap IMO. I can't even count the number of times that I see someone about to pull in front of me and stop because I rolled on the throttle and they turn and see me. But there is a HUGE difference in an annoyance and something that kills. Cell phones kill. Drunk driving kills. Inexperienced teenage drivers kill. Older (I mean very old, but not all of them) drivers kill. Why not regulate these things a little closer? Huge SUVS put out worse emmissions than most bikes I would think (of course I drive an F-150 so maybe I shouldn't talk!). How many times have you been sitting in traffic and had to listen to some vulgar rap album cranked in some little rice burning nopi Honda. Crack down on this crap first. What is more offensive? Hearing theF word and N word constantly, or loud pipes? [:@]Ok, I am done.
While I understand the argument against bikes with loud pipes, here is what just irks me. Why don't lawmakers worry about what actually gets people killed instead of an annoyance? I have run loud pipes on all my bikes. If it pisses people off, so be it. The argument that loud pipes don't save lives is crap IMO. I can't even count the number of times that I see someone about to pull in front of me and stop because I rolled on the throttle and they turn and see me. But there is a HUGE difference in an annoyance and something that kills. Cell phones kill. Drunk driving kills. Inexperienced teenage drivers kill. Older (I mean very old, but not all of them) drivers kill. Why not regulate these things a little closer? Huge SUVS put out worse emmissions than most bikes I would think (of course I drive an F-150 so maybe I shouldn't talk!). How many times have you been sitting in traffic and had to listen to some vulgar rap album cranked in some little rice burning nopi Honda. Crack down on this crap first. What is more offensive? Hearing theF word and N word constantly, or loud pipes? [:@]Ok, I am done.
But, not here to argue, it's pointless as trying to switch someone from Dem to Rep.
I understand what you are saying, but still have to agree to disagree.Driving in my truck I hear bikes coming from a good distance from behind me. If the sound is loud enough, you will hear it regardless of where it exits the bike. Plus, deep sounds especially are less directional. If there are enough distractions though, radio, A/C, cell, you are absolutely right. You will not hear it. There have been way too many times that I have not heard an ambulance until they were right up on me. All that loud heavy metal getting to my young ears already! Fun to debate regardless, just don't call me a Democrat again. J/K
Cruiser
Joined: Jun 2007
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RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
ORIGINAL: ianchris1
While I understand the argument against bikes with loud pipes, here is what just irks me. Why don't lawmakers worry about what actually gets people killed instead of an annoyance? I have run loud pipes on all my bikes. If it pisses people off, so be it. The argument that loud pipes don't save lives is crap IMO. I can't even count the number of times that I see someone about to pull in front of me and stop because I rolled on the throttle and they turn and see me. But there is a HUGE difference in an annoyance and something that kills. Cell phones kill. Drunk driving kills. Inexperienced teenage drivers kill. Older (I mean very old, but not all of them) drivers kill. Why not regulate these things a little closer? Huge SUVS put out worse emmissions than most bikes I would think (of course I drive an F-150 so maybe I shouldn't talk!). How many times have you been sitting in traffic and had to listen to some vulgar rap album cranked in some little rice burning nopi Honda. Crack down on this crap first. What is more offensive? Hearing theF word and N word constantly, or loud pipes? [:@]Ok, I am done.
While I understand the argument against bikes with loud pipes, here is what just irks me. Why don't lawmakers worry about what actually gets people killed instead of an annoyance? I have run loud pipes on all my bikes. If it pisses people off, so be it. The argument that loud pipes don't save lives is crap IMO. I can't even count the number of times that I see someone about to pull in front of me and stop because I rolled on the throttle and they turn and see me. But there is a HUGE difference in an annoyance and something that kills. Cell phones kill. Drunk driving kills. Inexperienced teenage drivers kill. Older (I mean very old, but not all of them) drivers kill. Why not regulate these things a little closer? Huge SUVS put out worse emmissions than most bikes I would think (of course I drive an F-150 so maybe I shouldn't talk!). How many times have you been sitting in traffic and had to listen to some vulgar rap album cranked in some little rice burning nopi Honda. Crack down on this crap first. What is more offensive? Hearing theF word and N word constantly, or loud pipes? [:@]Ok, I am done.
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Marietta, GA
RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
ORIGINAL: bonz50
my whole question is this.... where in the constitution does it say we have the right not to be annoyed or offended???
ORIGINAL: ianchris1
While I understand the argument against bikes with loud pipes, here is what just irks me. Why don't lawmakers worry about what actually gets people killed instead of an annoyance? I have run loud pipes on all my bikes. If it pisses people off, so be it. The argument that loud pipes don't save lives is crap IMO. I can't even count the number of times that I see someone about to pull in front of me and stop because I rolled on the throttle and they turn and see me. But there is a HUGE difference in an annoyance and something that kills. Cell phones kill. Drunk driving kills. Inexperienced teenage drivers kill. Older (I mean very old, but not all of them) drivers kill. Why not regulate these things a little closer? Huge SUVS put out worse emmissions than most bikes I would think (of course I drive an F-150 so maybe I shouldn't talk!). How many times have you been sitting in traffic and had to listen to some vulgar rap album cranked in some little rice burning nopi Honda. Crack down on this crap first. What is more offensive? Hearing theF word and N word constantly, or loud pipes? [:@]Ok, I am done.
While I understand the argument against bikes with loud pipes, here is what just irks me. Why don't lawmakers worry about what actually gets people killed instead of an annoyance? I have run loud pipes on all my bikes. If it pisses people off, so be it. The argument that loud pipes don't save lives is crap IMO. I can't even count the number of times that I see someone about to pull in front of me and stop because I rolled on the throttle and they turn and see me. But there is a HUGE difference in an annoyance and something that kills. Cell phones kill. Drunk driving kills. Inexperienced teenage drivers kill. Older (I mean very old, but not all of them) drivers kill. Why not regulate these things a little closer? Huge SUVS put out worse emmissions than most bikes I would think (of course I drive an F-150 so maybe I shouldn't talk!). How many times have you been sitting in traffic and had to listen to some vulgar rap album cranked in some little rice burning nopi Honda. Crack down on this crap first. What is more offensive? Hearing theF word and N word constantly, or loud pipes? [:@]Ok, I am done.
Road Master
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: pennsylvania
RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
now that i thought about this i say
if i want loud pipes i'll have loud pipes. If the honda hoot crowd don't like it tuff s***.
that's my answer and I'm stickin to it
if i want loud pipes i'll have loud pipes. If the honda hoot crowd don't like it tuff s***.
that's my answer and I'm stickin to it
Cruiser
Joined: Jun 2007
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RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
ORIGINAL: ianchris1
Don't really understand what that has to do with my points here... I don't remember referencing the constitution in any way or even implying that it is my right not to be annoyed or offended. I am as much for free speech as anyone, but there is a time and place for vulgarity. When little children are forced to listen to vulgar music at a red light because some idiot will not roll up the window or turn it down, to me that is wrong. Maybe I missed your meaning though...
ORIGINAL: bonz50
my whole question is this.... where in the constitution does it say we have the right not to be annoyed or offended???
ORIGINAL: ianchris1
While I understand the argument against bikes with loud pipes, here is what just irks me. Why don't lawmakers worry about what actually gets people killed instead of an annoyance? I have run loud pipes on all my bikes. If it pisses people off, so be it. The argument that loud pipes don't save lives is crap IMO. I can't even count the number of times that I see someone about to pull in front of me and stop because I rolled on the throttle and they turn and see me. But there is a HUGE difference in an annoyance and something that kills. Cell phones kill. Drunk driving kills. Inexperienced teenage drivers kill. Older (I mean very old, but not all of them) drivers kill. Why not regulate these things a little closer? Huge SUVS put out worse emmissions than most bikes I would think (of course I drive an F-150 so maybe I shouldn't talk!). How many times have you been sitting in traffic and had to listen to some vulgar rap album cranked in some little rice burning nopi Honda. Crack down on this crap first. What is more offensive? Hearing theF word and N word constantly, or loud pipes? [:@]Ok, I am done.
While I understand the argument against bikes with loud pipes, here is what just irks me. Why don't lawmakers worry about what actually gets people killed instead of an annoyance? I have run loud pipes on all my bikes. If it pisses people off, so be it. The argument that loud pipes don't save lives is crap IMO. I can't even count the number of times that I see someone about to pull in front of me and stop because I rolled on the throttle and they turn and see me. But there is a HUGE difference in an annoyance and something that kills. Cell phones kill. Drunk driving kills. Inexperienced teenage drivers kill. Older (I mean very old, but not all of them) drivers kill. Why not regulate these things a little closer? Huge SUVS put out worse emmissions than most bikes I would think (of course I drive an F-150 so maybe I shouldn't talk!). How many times have you been sitting in traffic and had to listen to some vulgar rap album cranked in some little rice burning nopi Honda. Crack down on this crap first. What is more offensive? Hearing theF word and N word constantly, or loud pipes? [:@]Ok, I am done.
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 330
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From: Marietta, GA
RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
Do you think there is a difference though in a loud noise and offensive language? Just asking an honest question. I listen to some pretty vulgar music when I am in the truck, but I try to be curteous enough to roll em up when approaching an intersection or heavy traffic. I don't know. People are so touchy now, but then again it seems like people are afraid to speak out against real issues (see Michael Vick) Weird how people will complain all day long about my drag pipes, but skirt around someone killing dogs because they are afraid of not being PC. Anyone else bothered by this hypocrisy?
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) Weird how people will complain all day long about my drag pipes, but skirt around someone killing dogs because they are afraid of not being PC. Anyone else bothered by this hypocrisy?[sm=rant.gif]
Cruiser
Joined: Jun 2007
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RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
I think there is a difference... but i'm not sure the law agrees with me on that... unfortunately those "artists" get protection under free speech... why can't motorcycles have protection under freedom of expression???
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Road Master
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Clearwater, FL
RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
ORIGINAL: Chicago Spike
Voting is good, but I'm affraid we as a biking community, are on the short end of the voting stick. We are limited to the number of bikers that vote and the common voter outnumbers us 4 to 1 or greater. By joining the AMA and/or ABATE give us a bigger say in what happens as they both employ lobbyists to change/stroke the politicians on Capital Hill
Voting is good, but I'm affraid we as a biking community, are on the short end of the voting stick. We are limited to the number of bikers that vote and the common voter outnumbers us 4 to 1 or greater. By joining the AMA and/or ABATE give us a bigger say in what happens as they both employ lobbyists to change/stroke the politicians on Capital Hill
If you want to keep your pipes, you need to get involved and make noise (if you will) to the people (lawmakers)that make the changes happen. They hear the anti-pipe people because the pro-pipe people aren't getting their point across. AMA and ABATE are good groups. Lawmakers know they are being paid to represent bikers so they take some if not all of what they have to say with a grain of salt. What will impact the decision of lawmakers is when grassroots riders start making a fuss. If you want to keep something, you have to work for it. If riders aren't willing to do that, then how concerned are they really? How bad do you want to keep your pipes?
JMHO.
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: St. Charles, IL
RE: Do you really want to be Muffled???
The Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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