Bumping up to 103"
Road Warrior
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Texarkana, TX
RE: Bumping up to 103"
I had my dealer install the stage II 103" kit when I purchased my 07 Ultra last April and I am totally pleased. I realize that there are other kits out there that will produce more power but I chose mine because I was buying a new bike and I wanted to keep my warranty for the full 2 years. I honestly feel that all of the Ultra Classics should come from the factory with the stage II 103" kit, since they weigh more and most will also have a passenger and some even pull trailers. I would say that the H-D kit will be good for ya unless you are looking for every possible ounce of HP and TQ. I didnt go to the screamin eagle heads,but if you did that along with going to the stage II 103" kit,... I think you will get the full potentional of the SE 103" kit. These are all just "MY" opinions and I support them with my "REAL WORLD" seat of the pants feel over a stock TC96.
Elite HDF Member
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,647
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From: Stockbridge, GA (Atlanta)
RE: Bumping up to 103"
"REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ????
1. no one even hinted about getting money back for a build--that's the same for chrome--its for your personal enjoyment---
2. any reputable builder will check the crank runout and everything else before building a motor
3. some people (like me) don't keep bikes 40 or 50k miles --- and if I still have it at that mileage and it needs a rebuildIt will be a good reaason to go bigger
4. $3500--4k is about right for a build---that's not a lot of money ---
5. IMHO --- nothing better than a hotrod bagger--
6. Some of us want morefrom our bikes and/orcars -- it's in our DNA
{quote]ORIGINAL: TakeNoCrap
Do you want the "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ? Here's the deal. Sure you can find some pretty good 103 builds. but before it's over. It will get you for at least $4K. The truth about these Harley engines...Open up the breather, a good exhaust and leave it alone. You will get the best out of that engine if you don't do mods. 100K. If you do install mods, you may get 40 to 50K max. Don't let anyone bullshit you into thinking you will get a good resale or return on a mod. You wont. Plus the 07 Engine has weak bearings on the crank. We get way to many bikes in with crank bearing issues.
We install stages all day, but everyone knows if you want long life out of that engine, leave it alone. Just my 2 .
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1. no one even hinted about getting money back for a build--that's the same for chrome--its for your personal enjoyment---
2. any reputable builder will check the crank runout and everything else before building a motor
3. some people (like me) don't keep bikes 40 or 50k miles --- and if I still have it at that mileage and it needs a rebuildIt will be a good reaason to go bigger
4. $3500--4k is about right for a build---that's not a lot of money ---
5. IMHO --- nothing better than a hotrod bagger--
6. Some of us want morefrom our bikes and/orcars -- it's in our DNA
{quote]ORIGINAL: TakeNoCrap
ORIGINAL: Eddie Haskell
I have an 07 Ultra and I'm thinking I want to go bigger than the stock 96". I'm looking for some real world experience withsome of the103" kits. I'm interested in only kits at this point since I'm not really sure what this job entales. I don't want to do anything to the cases, just heads, pistons and cams. I'd like to know what HD does to a warranty if I do this, if I use SE parts will it still be warranted?
I have an 07 Ultra and I'm thinking I want to go bigger than the stock 96". I'm looking for some real world experience withsome of the103" kits. I'm interested in only kits at this point since I'm not really sure what this job entales. I don't want to do anything to the cases, just heads, pistons and cams. I'd like to know what HD does to a warranty if I do this, if I use SE parts will it still be warranted?
Do you want the "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ? Here's the deal. Sure you can find some pretty good 103 builds. but before it's over. It will get you for at least $4K. The truth about these Harley engines...Open up the breather, a good exhaust and leave it alone. You will get the best out of that engine if you don't do mods. 100K. If you do install mods, you may get 40 to 50K max. Don't let anyone bullshit you into thinking you will get a good resale or return on a mod. You wont. Plus the 07 Engine has weak bearings on the crank. We get way to many bikes in with crank bearing issues.
We install stages all day, but everyone knows if you want long life out of that engine, leave it alone. Just my 2 .
[/quote]
Cruiser
Joined: Feb 2008
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RE: Bumping up to 103"
ORIGINAL: lkr0
"REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ????
1. no one even hinted about getting money back for a build--that's the same for chrome--its for your personal enjoyment---
2. any reputable builder will check the crank runout and everything else before building a motor
3. some people (like me) don't keep bikes 40 or 50k miles --- and if I still have it at that mileage and it needs a rebuildIt will be a good reaason to go bigger
4. $3500--4k is about right for a build---that's not a lot of money ---
5. IMHO --- nothing better than a hotrod bagger--
6. Some of us want morefrom our bikes and/orcars -- it's in our DNA
{quote]ORIGINAL: TakeNoCrap
Do you want the "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ? Here's the deal. Sure you can find some pretty good 103 builds. but before it's over. It will get you for at least $4K. The truth about these Harley engines...Open up the breather, a good exhaust and leave it alone. You will get the best out of that engine if you don't do mods. 100K. If you do install mods, you may get 40 to 50K max. Don't let anyone bullshit you into thinking you will get a good resale or return on a mod. You wont. Plus the 07 Engine has weak bearings on the crank. We get way to many bikes in with crank bearing issues.
We install stages all day, but everyone knows if you want long life out of that engine, leave it alone. Just my 2 .
"REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ????
1. no one even hinted about getting money back for a build--that's the same for chrome--its for your personal enjoyment---
2. any reputable builder will check the crank runout and everything else before building a motor
3. some people (like me) don't keep bikes 40 or 50k miles --- and if I still have it at that mileage and it needs a rebuildIt will be a good reaason to go bigger
4. $3500--4k is about right for a build---that's not a lot of money ---
5. IMHO --- nothing better than a hotrod bagger--
6. Some of us want morefrom our bikes and/orcars -- it's in our DNA
{quote]ORIGINAL: TakeNoCrap
ORIGINAL: Eddie Haskell
I have an 07 Ultra and I'm thinking I want to go bigger than the stock 96". I'm looking for some real world experience withsome of the103" kits. I'm interested in only kits at this point since I'm not really sure what this job entales. I don't want to do anything to the cases, just heads, pistons and cams. I'd like to know what HD does to a warranty if I do this, if I use SE parts will it still be warranted?
I have an 07 Ultra and I'm thinking I want to go bigger than the stock 96". I'm looking for some real world experience withsome of the103" kits. I'm interested in only kits at this point since I'm not really sure what this job entales. I don't want to do anything to the cases, just heads, pistons and cams. I'd like to know what HD does to a warranty if I do this, if I use SE parts will it still be warranted?
Do you want the "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ? Here's the deal. Sure you can find some pretty good 103 builds. but before it's over. It will get you for at least $4K. The truth about these Harley engines...Open up the breather, a good exhaust and leave it alone. You will get the best out of that engine if you don't do mods. 100K. If you do install mods, you may get 40 to 50K max. Don't let anyone bullshit you into thinking you will get a good resale or return on a mod. You wont. Plus the 07 Engine has weak bearings on the crank. We get way to many bikes in with crank bearing issues.
We install stages all day, but everyone knows if you want long life out of that engine, leave it alone. Just my 2 .
Seems to me you're the best advocate to prove my point. They guy probably wants a good return on his investment. Who wants to drop $23K and then drop $4K min on mods and have to drop another $4K 40,000 miles later ? If you've got the money to waist, fine . Otherwise don't waist your money.
The bottom line is this. We see people coming into the shop every day wanted more power. It's the number one seller for Harley . No one is happy with the power of Harley. May be one day everyone will realize buying into a fad or hype's not worth it.
If you've got $30K to drop and play with for 40 to 50K, then you will be happy. Other wise, stay factory or regret it. We see it every day.
Extreme HDF Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 10,449
Likes: 46
From: Roswell, GA
RE: Bumping up to 103"
1. Pretty sure I have never read a post that suggested that engine mods would increase the resale value of a motorcycle.
2. Just because I may not see the value TO ME of a big motor, bad *** stereo system, custom paint, extended saddlebags, fat rear fenders, etc. and etc. doesn't mean that I can't enjoy seeing other guys enjoy those things--HD's are a big hobby with lots of different interests.
3. Three to four grand for what will make a motorcycle ride like a new and different bike is pretty darn good value for the dollar.
TakeNoCrap--Hope you get over what is pissing you off; save the profanity for a post that deserves it; and, perhaps if you have been a member for more than TWO DAYS, being set straight by you will have more credibility.
2. Just because I may not see the value TO ME of a big motor, bad *** stereo system, custom paint, extended saddlebags, fat rear fenders, etc. and etc. doesn't mean that I can't enjoy seeing other guys enjoy those things--HD's are a big hobby with lots of different interests.
3. Three to four grand for what will make a motorcycle ride like a new and different bike is pretty darn good value for the dollar.
TakeNoCrap--Hope you get over what is pissing you off; save the profanity for a post that deserves it; and, perhaps if you have been a member for more than TWO DAYS, being set straight by you will have more credibility.
Elite HDF Member
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,647
Likes: 11
From: Stockbridge, GA (Atlanta)
RE: Bumping up to 103"
I got it;I can spend it; worked very hard to get here -- no haters -- thank you
Seems to me you're the best advocate to prove my point. They guy probably wants a good return on his investment. Who wants to drop $23K and then drop $4K min on mods and have to drop another $4K 40,000 miles later ? If you've got the money to waist, fine . Otherwise don't waist your money.
The bottom line is this. We see people coming into the shop every day wanted more power. It's the number one seller for Harley . No one is happy with the power of Harley. May be one day everyone will realize buying into a fad or hype's not worth it.
If you've got $30K to drop and play with for 40 to 50K, then you will be happy. Other wise, stay factory or regret it. We see it every day.
[/quote]
ORIGINAL: TakeNoCrap
ORIGINAL: lkr0
"REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ????
1. no one even hinted about getting money back for a build--that's the same for chrome--its for your personal enjoyment---
2. any reputable builder will check the crank runout and everything else before building a motor
3. some people (like me) don't keep bikes 40 or 50k miles --- and if I still have it at that mileage and it needs a rebuildIt will be a good reaason to go bigger
4. $3500--4k is about right for a build---that's not a lot of money ---
5. IMHO --- nothing better than a hotrod bagger--
6. Some of us want morefrom our bikes and/orcars -- it's in our DNA
{quote]ORIGINAL: TakeNoCrap
Do you want the "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ? Here's the deal. Sure you can find some pretty good 103 builds. but before it's over. It will get you for at least $4K. The truth about these Harley engines...Open up the breather, a good exhaust and leave it alone. You will get the best out of that engine if you don't do mods. 100K. If you do install mods, you may get 40 to 50K max. Don't let anyone bullshit you into thinking you will get a good resale or return on a mod. You wont. Plus the 07 Engine has weak bearings on the crank. We get way to many bikes in with crank bearing issues.
We install stages all day, but everyone knows if you want long life out of that engine, leave it alone. Just my 2 .
"REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ????
1. no one even hinted about getting money back for a build--that's the same for chrome--its for your personal enjoyment---
2. any reputable builder will check the crank runout and everything else before building a motor
3. some people (like me) don't keep bikes 40 or 50k miles --- and if I still have it at that mileage and it needs a rebuildIt will be a good reaason to go bigger
4. $3500--4k is about right for a build---that's not a lot of money ---
5. IMHO --- nothing better than a hotrod bagger--
6. Some of us want morefrom our bikes and/orcars -- it's in our DNA
{quote]ORIGINAL: TakeNoCrap
ORIGINAL: Eddie Haskell
I have an 07 Ultra and I'm thinking I want to go bigger than the stock 96". I'm looking for some real world experience withsome of the103" kits. I'm interested in only kits at this point since I'm not really sure what this job entales. I don't want to do anything to the cases, just heads, pistons and cams. I'd like to know what HD does to a warranty if I do this, if I use SE parts will it still be warranted?
I have an 07 Ultra and I'm thinking I want to go bigger than the stock 96". I'm looking for some real world experience withsome of the103" kits. I'm interested in only kits at this point since I'm not really sure what this job entales. I don't want to do anything to the cases, just heads, pistons and cams. I'd like to know what HD does to a warranty if I do this, if I use SE parts will it still be warranted?
Do you want the "REAL" truth, or a bunch of crap ? Here's the deal. Sure you can find some pretty good 103 builds. but before it's over. It will get you for at least $4K. The truth about these Harley engines...Open up the breather, a good exhaust and leave it alone. You will get the best out of that engine if you don't do mods. 100K. If you do install mods, you may get 40 to 50K max. Don't let anyone bullshit you into thinking you will get a good resale or return on a mod. You wont. Plus the 07 Engine has weak bearings on the crank. We get way to many bikes in with crank bearing issues.
We install stages all day, but everyone knows if you want long life out of that engine, leave it alone. Just my 2 .
Seems to me you're the best advocate to prove my point. They guy probably wants a good return on his investment. Who wants to drop $23K and then drop $4K min on mods and have to drop another $4K 40,000 miles later ? If you've got the money to waist, fine . Otherwise don't waist your money.
The bottom line is this. We see people coming into the shop every day wanted more power. It's the number one seller for Harley . No one is happy with the power of Harley. May be one day everyone will realize buying into a fad or hype's not worth it.
If you've got $30K to drop and play with for 40 to 50K, then you will be happy. Other wise, stay factory or regret it. We see it every day.
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Cruiser
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 172
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RE: Bumping up to 103"
ORIGINAL: Harleypingman
1. Pretty sure I have never read a post that suggested that engine mods would increase the resale value of a motorcycle.
2. Just because I may not see the value TO ME of a big motor, bad *** stereo system, custom paint, extended saddlebags, fat rear fenders, etc. and etc. doesn't mean that I can't enjoy seeing other guys enjoy those things--HD's are a big hobby with lots of different interests.
3. Three to four grand for what will make a motorcycle ride like a new and different bike is pretty darn good value for the dollar.
TakeNoCrap--Hope you get over what is pissing you off; save the profanity for a post that deserves it; and, perhaps if you have been a member for more than TWO DAYS, being set straight by you will have more credibility.
1. Pretty sure I have never read a post that suggested that engine mods would increase the resale value of a motorcycle.
2. Just because I may not see the value TO ME of a big motor, bad *** stereo system, custom paint, extended saddlebags, fat rear fenders, etc. and etc. doesn't mean that I can't enjoy seeing other guys enjoy those things--HD's are a big hobby with lots of different interests.
3. Three to four grand for what will make a motorcycle ride like a new and different bike is pretty darn good value for the dollar.
TakeNoCrap--Hope you get over what is pissing you off; save the profanity for a post that deserves it; and, perhaps if you have been a member for more than TWO DAYS, being set straight by you will have more credibility.
Credibility is the least of my worries. I work in a Harley shop. I see it all day every day. Like I said. If you're looking to get around 40 to 50K out of a build, then you might be happy, but remember, The second rebuild is much more expensive than the first. There's lots of builds out there, but one has to remember, there's a price you pay for some of those builds. The question you need to ask yourself is, what do I really want out of my bike. If your looking for more power to get down the road as a norm , then do slight mods and leave the engine alone. You get a long life that way. If you do a heave mod, expect it to cost now and down the road.
I see the problems with these motors every day. Harley really needs to get it together. Believe it or not. You wouldn't believe how much Harley relies on this fad going around. I'm not impressed at all with the new 07 engine.
Grand HDF Member
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 4,307
Likes: 9,428
From: Twin Cities Minnesota
RE: Bumping up to 103"
Hmmmmm....if built "correctly" with quality components a build will last and give power. The key is CORRECTLY with carefully chosen/compatible parts. I just traded my bike in on a new bike and got RETAIL for it on trade. I see no reason to not build again. The absolute biggest thing is to chose correct components the first time, stay away from the bulk of the S.E.Harley low end quality parts. That are HIGH END PROFIT for Harley.
Tourer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 457
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From: Woodstock, Ga
RE: Bumping up to 103"
I bet that ***** take no crap is just crying cause he cant afford a new bagger It's people like that there jealous you know they gotta find the negatives every year has a negative to it right
we can talk crap all day about certain years if i drop 40k in to my bike thats my business right
we can talk crap all day about certain years if i drop 40k in to my bike thats my business right
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RE: Bumping up to 103"
Takenocrap, I think I understand where you are coming from but it really is a personal issue. If a person can afford and wants it, than why should they not do it full well knowing the up's and downs of their decision. So I respect your position even though you imply that relibility will be an issue with any and all builds. I had a 95 kit in my 03 Ultra, 90,000 miles and I would head cross country in aheart beat on it, very reiliable. I am also sticking a 103 Kit in my 08 Ultra and I fully aware that other companies offer 103 and 107 mods that will produce a lot more bang for the buck. But I chose the harley 103 because I think it will provide me the feeling I am looking for while riding it and since I am a long distance rider, I feel comfortable that my reliablity will be there as well.
So I have heard the pontificaters from the power hungry and the leave it alone pulpits. But to me, it is a buyer beware situation and if you understand the choicesand can afford what you want to do, then do it. No use going sanctimonious over the subject, because we are talking about Harley people and there is no onemoldedthat covers them all.
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Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 7,498
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From: East Alton, IL
RE: Bumping up to 103"
ORIGINAL: Eddie Haskell
I have an 07 Ultra and I'm thinking I want to go bigger than the stock 96". I'm looking for some real world experience withsome of the103" kits. I'm interested in only kits at this point since I'm not really sure what this job entales. I don't want to do anything to the cases, just heads, pistons and cams. I'd like to know what HD does to a warranty if I do this, if I use SE parts will it still be warranteed?
I have an 07 Ultra and I'm thinking I want to go bigger than the stock 96". I'm looking for some real world experience withsome of the103" kits. I'm interested in only kits at this point since I'm not really sure what this job entales. I don't want to do anything to the cases, just heads, pistons and cams. I'd like to know what HD does to a warranty if I do this, if I use SE parts will it still be warranteed?
I'm running the SE air cleaner, Rush 1.75" slip-ons, and SERT.
Jim