IDS Bearing failure
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Road Captain
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From: Orangevale, Calif.
RE: IDS Bearing failure
Thanks all for your inputs...Yodaddy, That *** # is 559768 and there isd in fact no inner or outer, the only visable diff is the part # on one side only. I did the install myself and thr only reason I noticed the crack was in changing to a new rear tire. I am not saying this is a problem all shopuld be concerned with, just be aware that it did happen to me. I have ordered a repacement bearing from Zanotti and at next tire change I will try it again. ( Backordered) Again thanks all for the input and I certainly hope this is only an isolated case...Sh** happens.....MK
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From: St George, UT
RE: IDS Bearing failure
Update: I had the 10k service done yesterday and mentioned the torque values posted here as well as the bulletin number. I replaced the entire kit 2000 miles ago. The tech said all looks good, and he did torque the bolts to 80 pounds. I am pretty sure, I and others who have had this problem, got bum kits. Incidentally, the MOCO disallowed the warranty claim by my dealer on the original IDS kit first installed. They said the bearing wasn't installed correctly. They are correct......the first one was installed using the cold/hot method and seated with a 2x4 and a small sledge hammer. This probably distorted the well, contributing to the failure of the replaced bearing. Meanwhile, my dealer hasn't seen any problems at all with the 08's so far.
Road Master
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From: REPUBLIC of TEXAS
RE: IDS Bearing failure
72 posts. i think the situation is worthy of a poll.
factory installed / failed
factory installed /ok
dealer installed/failed
dealer installed /ok
owner installed / failed
owner installed/ok
seems like nothing to "wait and see" about.
factory installed / failed
factory installed /ok
dealer installed/failed
dealer installed /ok
owner installed / failed
owner installed/ok
seems like nothing to "wait and see" about.
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RE: IDS Bearing failure
The MOCO does this all the time with bearings, especially wheel bearings. They will use a bearing with dimensions not common. For example, common bearings will generally have a typical inner diameter relative to the outside diameter of the races. H-D will use a bearing that does not follow the norm, thereby making the availability of them nonexistent from ouside suppliers to keep you a "captive customer". These bearings only fit H-D, so bearing manufacturers don't make them since H-D has a contract with their OEMsuppliers.
Road Master
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From: GA
RE: IDS Bearing failure
Well folks I only know what I feel as the difference with/withhout the IDS. After swapingUltras with a bud of mine (my '07 for his '08)and checking out the difference over about 40 miles I decided to have it installed as I got rear rubber replaced. I now have about 3.5k with the kit on andmy a$$ tells me this is a different motorcycle, smoother in acceleration and ride, less overall vibration and better response. Even my wife, who has never riden herself except behind me commented how muchbetter and smootherthe scoot felt (no small concellation for the money spent). I amno mechanical engineer, well I am an engineer just not mechanical, but this a$$ has been riding something with two wheels for over 41 years and at long last my a$$ has finally learned what my brain wants in a motorcycle and finally they agree!
As for the poll;
Dealer purchased, dealer pressed bearing, dealer installed - dealer better dig a hole if it's faulty, blows up and I live!
As for the poll;
Dealer purchased, dealer pressed bearing, dealer installed - dealer better dig a hole if it's faulty, blows up and I live!
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From: Conroe Texas
RE: IDS Bearing failure
Had my bearing fail, found out when I got a flat on a long trip through NC, found out the the dealer had pressed it in with the wrong arbor.Think I was the first one they installedit on, problem was that the dealer did not have a replacement in stock, Petersens in Miami over nighted one up there and paid for a 4 day rentalfor a 08 UC so I could continue my trip, they really stepped up to the plate.This is one of the best mods I made.
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From: Ontario,Canada
RE: IDS Bearing failure
ORIGINAL: masterblaster
Had my bearing fail, found out when I got a flat on a long trip through NC, found out the the dealer had pressed it in with the wrong arbor.Think I was the first one they installedit on, problem was that the dealer did not have a replacement in stock, Petersens in Miami over nighted one up there and paid for a 4 day rentalfor a 08 UC so I could continue my trip, they really stepped up to the plate.This is one of the best mods I made.
Had my bearing fail, found out when I got a flat on a long trip through NC, found out the the dealer had pressed it in with the wrong arbor.Think I was the first one they installedit on, problem was that the dealer did not have a replacement in stock, Petersens in Miami over nighted one up there and paid for a 4 day rentalfor a 08 UC so I could continue my trip, they really stepped up to the plate.This is one of the best mods I made.
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RE: IDS Bearing failure
To bad about the problem.
But that damage is not bearing failure. IMHO.
That is damage from installation.
whether during pressing, hot cold method, in backwards, or the way the axle
spacers mount up against it, that I can't say.
The cracking and chipping away of the flange is an installation problem.
Overheated and blue then I could believe failure.
If it was just a crack down through and across the inner race maybe.
But looks like there is also a chip missing out of the inner race.
That is usually from an outside source striking the flange (hammer/ punch)
Uneven pressure from a press (cocked in the bore while pressing) or improper
final assembly.
But like I said just my opinion.
But in 30 + years wrenching on everything from bikes to Catapillar Equipment
and lots of things in between I would have to stand by installation damage and
failure.
But that damage is not bearing failure. IMHO.
That is damage from installation.
whether during pressing, hot cold method, in backwards, or the way the axle
spacers mount up against it, that I can't say.
The cracking and chipping away of the flange is an installation problem.
Overheated and blue then I could believe failure.
If it was just a crack down through and across the inner race maybe.
But looks like there is also a chip missing out of the inner race.
That is usually from an outside source striking the flange (hammer/ punch)
Uneven pressure from a press (cocked in the bore while pressing) or improper
final assembly.
But like I said just my opinion.
But in 30 + years wrenching on everything from bikes to Catapillar Equipment
and lots of things in between I would have to stand by installation damage and
failure.
ORIGINAL: Mikind7
This is the best pic I could get of the failure
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This is the best pic I could get of the failure
[IMG]local://upfiles/19676/9DBF991897834E09BDFCDCB9A703DCC0.jpg[/IMG]
