IDS Bearing failure
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RE: IDS Bearing failure
The way the inner race is broken is consistent with a inner race not being supported. Either an out of round shaft or a high spot on the shaft putting a stress load on one spot. If you look at the posted picture you can see the shaft pushed the inner race out. The shaft needs to be measured for an out of round condition and make sure that it is a slip fit in the bearing or very, very light press. Have you been shock loading the bearing by riding on the rear wheel?
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From: Fugitive from justice
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Mikind7, Please post the bearing#....I can't quite make it out from the photo.
The bearing is made by *** Bearing, but I cannot research it with out a readable/correct number
The bearing is made by *** Bearing, but I cannot research it with out a readable/correct number
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From: Fugitive from justice
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The bearing in the picture is a sealed bearing. It is not exposed to the elements like some here suggested. The bearing in the pic did not fail due to contamination or loss of lubrication.
It is also possibly installed incorrectly/backwards....I can't be sure until I get the bearing # and install instructions
Edited to say I found the instructions...Go here, then click the pdf file:
http://www.box.net/shared/hotj1llvt0
It is also possibly installed incorrectly/backwards....I can't be sure until I get the bearing # and install instructions
Edited to say I found the instructions...Go here, then click the pdf file:
http://www.box.net/shared/hotj1llvt0
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But they didn't use it as a bandaid repair, for a poorly designed engine/ transmission
design like HD did.
design like HD did.
ORIGINAL: tazmandevil
I think your all too paranoid....
Japanese bikes have been using this same isolation method for years and Its never been a problem. I have a 37 year old Honda that I just finished rebuilding and when I removed the rear wheel the original bearing and rubber isolators were still installed and still functioning fine.
I installed an IDS on my 07 ultra myself and pressed the bearing using just an arbor press and it went in fine without the hot and cold method most are describing.
I have read some haveused the hot and cold meathod and pounded the bearing in with a block of wood and a hammer. I can see mabe this method causing a bearing to fail.
Just my opinion......but I think most on this forum worry too much.
I think your all too paranoid....
Japanese bikes have been using this same isolation method for years and Its never been a problem. I have a 37 year old Honda that I just finished rebuilding and when I removed the rear wheel the original bearing and rubber isolators were still installed and still functioning fine.
I installed an IDS on my 07 ultra myself and pressed the bearing using just an arbor press and it went in fine without the hot and cold method most are describing.
I have read some haveused the hot and cold meathod and pounded the bearing in with a block of wood and a hammer. I can see mabe this method causing a bearing to fail.
Just my opinion......but I think most on this forum worry too much.
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I can't resist: BITE ME!!
I will agree longevity depends on a lot of things, riding style, how installed,etc.
But bottom line is in 08 HD knew they f...ed up in 07, that's why they brought
this out.
And isn't it convienent they designed it so it could beused retroactive on 07 wheels??
someone shows me proof I'm wrong on a subject, I have owned up to it, here on this forum.
I've been doing mechanical repairs on all types of equipment since the 70's, pretty sure (not positive though) I got good experience in designs, what holds up what doesn't, and have seen
numerous manufacturers redesign something as first design did not hold up in the real world.
Even though it looked good on paper and in testing.
so as I said above BITE ME!
I will agree longevity depends on a lot of things, riding style, how installed,etc.
But bottom line is in 08 HD knew they f...ed up in 07, that's why they brought
this out.
And isn't it convienent they designed it so it could beused retroactive on 07 wheels??
someone shows me proof I'm wrong on a subject, I have owned up to it, here on this forum.
I've been doing mechanical repairs on all types of equipment since the 70's, pretty sure (not positive though) I got good experience in designs, what holds up what doesn't, and have seen
numerous manufacturers redesign something as first design did not hold up in the real world.
Even though it looked good on paper and in testing.
so as I said above BITE ME!
ORIGINAL: sparky_mo
Now I am concerned since the 'great and powerful Choo has spoken.' Choo has been an expert on the 07's since they came out. He has more than once told us 07 owners that we all f....d up buying one. I have never known Choo to be wrong about anything so I'm thinking all of us who purchased the IDS are all doomed. I am still puzzled how you know so much about the 07's since you ride on 06. Oh well, I'm SURE your right again. As soon as the weather warms up I'm taking my bandaged 07 in and tell them Choo sent me. They do know you are an expert on all Harley's don't they Choo?
ORIGINAL: choochoo
I tried to tell you it was a BANDAID.
But ya all didn't listen.
You reap what you sow!!
eventually that bad bearing will ruin the wheel.
then instead of $20 try $300 -$600 depending on the wheel
Glad so many of you have money to spare and don't have to worry about it!!
I tried to tell you it was a BANDAID.
But ya all didn't listen.
You reap what you sow!!
eventually that bad bearing will ruin the wheel.
then instead of $20 try $300 -$600 depending on the wheel
Glad so many of you have money to spare and don't have to worry about it!!
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ive got 3500 miles on the ids, dealer installed, after they got the special tool they needed for install.
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ORIGINAL: wildeano57
ive got 3500 miles on the ids, dealer installed, after they got the special tool they needed for install.
ive got 3500 miles on the ids, dealer installed, after they got the special tool they needed for install.
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From: Fugitive from justice
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Look at the bearing in the pic.......
If you look you will see the outer race is installed with the thin side out, and the inner race has it's thick side out.......If you were to flip the bearing over, the outer race thick side would be outside and the inner race thin side likewise....Does it make a diff?...I dunno in this application, but often it does....It depends on thrust loads, but there should be no axial thrust generated if the spacers are installed correctly.
By-the-way, the assembly is designed so that the supplied spacers clamp against the inner race, so torquing the axle nut should only exert force there....As long as you got the spacers right, then there should be no problem.
The instructions don't say which way to flip the bearing when you install it.....That's maybe an omission by mistake.
Come on guys,post the details and more pics...........I'm a commissioned Boiler Inspector and pretty good at failure analysis.....We have the answer. All we have to do is share the details to sort it out.....If HD discovers it, odds are we will never hear about it.
If you look you will see the outer race is installed with the thin side out, and the inner race has it's thick side out.......If you were to flip the bearing over, the outer race thick side would be outside and the inner race thin side likewise....Does it make a diff?...I dunno in this application, but often it does....It depends on thrust loads, but there should be no axial thrust generated if the spacers are installed correctly.
By-the-way, the assembly is designed so that the supplied spacers clamp against the inner race, so torquing the axle nut should only exert force there....As long as you got the spacers right, then there should be no problem.
The instructions don't say which way to flip the bearing when you install it.....That's maybe an omission by mistake.
Come on guys,post the details and more pics...........I'm a commissioned Boiler Inspector and pretty good at failure analysis.....We have the answer. All we have to do is share the details to sort it out.....If HD discovers it, odds are we will never hear about it.