103" Stage II Hard Starting
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I tried the plug wires off test today and it in fact cranked right over. That tells me that the problem is most likely timing. I spoke with Laidlaw HD today and the fellow there was confident that they could tune the problem out. He also said that 205 psi was about right for cranking pressure. They have a very good reputation from what I've heard. He quoted me $460 for the tuner (I don't know which one other than it is HD approved) plus $260 for the tune. SoCal labor seems to be running about $95 per hour. That puts me at $720. Better but still expensive. I'll look on eBay and see what's available. Thanks for the tip.
Marc
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$350 range. There's one on that says used. Don't think you want that one since it will only work on the bike it was "used" on
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Order yourself a brand new tuner from Zanotti's for about $350ish and then take it to your tuner guy and get this problem worked out. Still high but Zanotti's should save you at least a hundred on the tuner and you know it is brand new that way. Just my .02. Can't wait till my stage II is done in a couple weeks. I went with the SE 103 Stage 2 with pro tuner dyno time and a brand new D and D Fatcat and I am looking forward to a little more boost when the wife rides....yeee haw.
Phil
Phil
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Order yourself a brand new tuner from Zanotti's for about $350ish and then take it to your tunner guy and get this problem worked out. Still high but Zanotti's should save you at least a hundred on the tunner and you know it is brand new that way. Just my .02. Can't wait till my stage II is done in a couple weeks. I went with the SE 103 Stage 2 with pro tunner dyno time and a brand new D and D Fatcat and I am looking forward to a little more boost when the wife rides....yeee haw.
Phil
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I am curious, are they taking timing out at start up or adding it. I have a HQ103, but I opted for compression releses, knowing what I know from the EVO days. I know a guy that has a 95" high compression that has a PC3 and mentioned you didn't need comp releseses that it could be done through the PC3. When I asked what the tuner did, this guy could not answer my question. I do my own tuning, I do not have issues starting in the heat. Yet, I would like to get information to continue my own education on EFI HD.
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The idea is to retard the initial timing assuming that the timing is currently too far advanced.
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I've looked through the tables in the map I have but don't know where to find start timing. I see front and rear spark advance but I have no idea where to change it for starting only.
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Jim
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In the tuning mode, has to be in advance mode. Go under table selection and choose spark advancement for front and then rear cylinder. Once in that sub menu you would go and select 750 and 1000 rpm setting, and on the MAP side select from 15 to 50 and reduce it to around 12 to 15 until your issue is resolved. Me personally I have gone on 12 degrees til 40 MAP. I know it does not have a 0 map, but I remember Kevin from HQ mentioning there is always some kind of vacum while the engine is running. In comparison, I looked at a canned SERT map for 2:1 with 103 HtCC heads and pistons and timing is at 20 degrees for these values. Hope that helps
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In the tuning mode, has to be in advance mode. Go under table selection and choose spark advancement for front and then rear cylinder. Once in that sub menu you would go and select 750 and 1000 rpm setting, and on the MAP side select from 15 to 50 and reduce it to around 12 to 15 until your issue is resolved. Me personally I have gone on 12 degrees til 40 MAP. I know it does not have a 0 map, but I remember Kevin from HQ mentioning there is always some kind of vacum while the engine is running. In comparison, I looked at a canned SERT map for 2:1 with 103 HtCC heads and pistons and timing is at 20 degrees for these values. Hope that helps
Jim