Need advice on 1k /Syn3 or no?
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RE: Need advice on 1k /Syn3 or no?
Daboys,
Your point is well taken. But, I think there are still misconceptions about synthetic vs. carbon oils. You say that you change your oil every 2000 miles. How do you know that you are getting the best protection for your drivetrain, just because you change your oil more often? I, personally, use synthetic oil. But, not that overpriced Syn3 crap! The difference between carbon oil and synthetic has a lot to do with thermal breakdown and protection thresholds during high-heat and high-stress phases your drivetrain goes through. Once your oil breaksdown, it no longer has any cooling or lubricating properties to protect the parts. Thus, allows metal-to-metal contact, and excessive wear.
I have been using synthetic oil now for over seven years on two Harleys. And, I can honestly say that the protection I've experienced was worth the extra money I spent on it. Although synthetic oil allows you to extend your oil change up to double the interval, the protection of your air-cooled engine is the bottomline benefit.
Of course, the choice belongs to the bike's owner. But, I would encourage all bike owners to take a look at the benefits of synthetic oil, and the many tests that have been conducted. I think you'll be surprised at the results!
We all have invested a lot of money into our HOGs. So, why wouldn't we want the best protection for our engines?
I can't imagine those Ferrari and Lambourghini owners would try to save money and put cheap oils into their expensive machines. Food for thought I guess.
Your point is well taken. But, I think there are still misconceptions about synthetic vs. carbon oils. You say that you change your oil every 2000 miles. How do you know that you are getting the best protection for your drivetrain, just because you change your oil more often? I, personally, use synthetic oil. But, not that overpriced Syn3 crap! The difference between carbon oil and synthetic has a lot to do with thermal breakdown and protection thresholds during high-heat and high-stress phases your drivetrain goes through. Once your oil breaksdown, it no longer has any cooling or lubricating properties to protect the parts. Thus, allows metal-to-metal contact, and excessive wear.
I have been using synthetic oil now for over seven years on two Harleys. And, I can honestly say that the protection I've experienced was worth the extra money I spent on it. Although synthetic oil allows you to extend your oil change up to double the interval, the protection of your air-cooled engine is the bottomline benefit.
Of course, the choice belongs to the bike's owner. But, I would encourage all bike owners to take a look at the benefits of synthetic oil, and the many tests that have been conducted. I think you'll be surprised at the results!
We all have invested a lot of money into our HOGs. So, why wouldn't we want the best protection for our engines?
I can't imagine those Ferrari and Lambourghini owners would try to save money and put cheap oils into their expensive machines. Food for thought I guess.
ORIGINAL: daboys53119
Now you have gone and done it. Opened up the can of worms that is oil preference. Synthetic versus fossil, IMO since I change the oil every 2000 miles or less it doesn't pay to use synthetic. Now if you want to extened your oil change intervals then maybe but no one can tell me that changing my fossil oil every 1500-2000 miles is any worse than using synthetic. Just my 2 cents and that is all it's worth!
ORIGINAL: VROCK SE
Ok, I am taking my Ultra in for the 1K service. Is it better to go all synthetic, or what? Is there any drawbacks to it,Beside the price? And is it worth the extra $$$$$$
Thanks in advance
Ok, I am taking my Ultra in for the 1K service. Is it better to go all synthetic, or what? Is there any drawbacks to it,Beside the price? And is it worth the extra $$$$$$
Thanks in advance
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RE: Need advice on 1k /Syn3 or no?
Although synthetic oil allows you to extend your oil change up to double the interval, the protection of your air-cooled engine is the bottomline benefit.
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RE: Need advice on 1k /Syn3 or no?
I use Formula 1, 20W50 with synthetic WEARGUARD in the motor. Full syn is a rip-off, I just ride it, not race it! HD Formula+, in the tranny and primary. Smooth as silk.
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RE: Need advice on 1k /Syn3 or no?
I don't see the issue with running syn3 at 1000 service check. Let them put it in. When you have made up your mind as what brand you would like to try and or want to stick with after that you won't be up against the wall at decision making time and be drawing straws.
I've put the syn3 in at 1k and think its fine for what it is. I know its not the super best synthetic if your going by all the spec's. I plan on putting in redline soon enough.
I've put the syn3 in at 1k and think its fine for what it is. I know its not the super best synthetic if your going by all the spec's. I plan on putting in redline soon enough.
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RE: Need advice on 1k /Syn3 or no?
All good points. I do agree that synthetic has more anit-friction additives but at what point is there diminishing returns? I mean you can only make oil so "slippery" and at what point is it too "slippery"? Or maybe I should say antifriction additives may be overkill and the use that most bikes see don't necessarily need that much protection. I do have some knowledge of vehicle maintenance (have been a service manager for a bike dealer, several auto dealers including presently a Mercedes-Benz Dealer). If the moco engineers recommend oil that has "X" amount of antifriction properties and fossil oils meet that and synthetic exceed that of course some people would be inclined to use synthetic. Mercedes recommends Mobil 1 in all newer vehicles because of extended service intervals not just because it is that much better of an oil. What did everyone do before there were synthetics? Buy a new vehicle at 3000 miles? You imply that I don't want the best for my engine and maybe I am trying to spare myself from paying for overpriced synthetic when in fact I spend probably twice as much as most other riders since I change oil so often. Even if I did believe in synthetic I would still change my oil just as often.
I respect your opinion, just my 2 cents and it's not worth it!
I respect your opinion, just my 2 cents and it's not worth it!
ORIGINAL: Kahuna
Daboys,
Your point is well taken. But, I think there are still misconceptions about synthetic vs. carbon oils. You say that you change your oil every 2000 miles. How do you know that you are getting the best protection for your drivetrain, just because you change your oil more often? I, personally, use synthetic oil. But, not that overpriced Syn3 crap! The difference between carbon oil and synthetic has a lot to do with thermal breakdown and protection thresholds during high-heat and high-stress phases your drivetrain goes through. Once your oil breaksdown, it no longer has any cooling or lubricating properties to protect the parts. Thus, allows metal-to-metal contact, and excessive wear.
I have been using synthetic oil now for over seven years on two Harleys. And, I can honestly say that the protection I've experienced was worth the extra money I spent on it. Although synthetic oil allows you to extend your oil change up to double the interval, the protection of your air-cooled engine is the bottomline benefit.
Of course, the choice belongs to the bike's owner. But, I would encourage all bike owners to take a look at the benefits of synthetic oil, and the many tests that have been conducted. I think you'll be surprised at the results!
We all have invested a lot of money into our HOGs. So, why wouldn't we want the best protection for our engines?
I can't imagine those Ferrari and Lambourghini owners would try to save money and put cheap oils into their expensive machines. Food for thought I guess.
Daboys,
Your point is well taken. But, I think there are still misconceptions about synthetic vs. carbon oils. You say that you change your oil every 2000 miles. How do you know that you are getting the best protection for your drivetrain, just because you change your oil more often? I, personally, use synthetic oil. But, not that overpriced Syn3 crap! The difference between carbon oil and synthetic has a lot to do with thermal breakdown and protection thresholds during high-heat and high-stress phases your drivetrain goes through. Once your oil breaksdown, it no longer has any cooling or lubricating properties to protect the parts. Thus, allows metal-to-metal contact, and excessive wear.
I have been using synthetic oil now for over seven years on two Harleys. And, I can honestly say that the protection I've experienced was worth the extra money I spent on it. Although synthetic oil allows you to extend your oil change up to double the interval, the protection of your air-cooled engine is the bottomline benefit.
Of course, the choice belongs to the bike's owner. But, I would encourage all bike owners to take a look at the benefits of synthetic oil, and the many tests that have been conducted. I think you'll be surprised at the results!
We all have invested a lot of money into our HOGs. So, why wouldn't we want the best protection for our engines?
I can't imagine those Ferrari and Lambourghini owners would try to save money and put cheap oils into their expensive machines. Food for thought I guess.
ORIGINAL: daboys53119
Now you have gone and done it. Opened up the can of worms that is oil preference. Synthetic versus fossil, IMO since I change the oil every 2000 miles or less it doesn't pay to use synthetic. Now if you want to extened your oil change intervals then maybe but no one can tell me that changing my fossil oil every 1500-2000 miles is any worse than using synthetic. Just my 2 cents and that is all it's worth!
ORIGINAL: VROCK SE
Ok, I am taking my Ultra in for the 1K service. Is it better to go all synthetic, or what? Is there any drawbacks to it,Beside the price? And is it worth the extra $$$$$$
Thanks in advance
Ok, I am taking my Ultra in for the 1K service. Is it better to go all synthetic, or what? Is there any drawbacks to it,Beside the price? And is it worth the extra $$$$$$
Thanks in advance
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RE: Need advice on 1k /Syn3 or no?
>his does not seem to be the case, supported by the fact that >theScreamin Eagle' engines and HD CVO's come from the factory >with syn.
Screaming Eagle Syn3 which is not synthetic oil, at 1k your fine with Syn3 for that reason as a matter of fact you can break it in on Syn3 as the above quote implies
Screaming Eagle Syn3 which is not synthetic oil, at 1k your fine with Syn3 for that reason as a matter of fact you can break it in on Syn3 as the above quote implies
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