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Cruiser
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From: Ral NC
So they said that they found 3.15 quarts in crankcase and you overfilled it mmmmm,how much did you add at the service station?Not to mention the fact how in the hell do you suppose to know it went in the crankcase, or tell you (why) it went in the crankcase to begin with... I'd call BS on that one......
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Tourer
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From: Mission BC
should clarify.... the bike had 24k on it when it crapped out, just turned 46k this last summer before parking it for the winter and has been running great since they "fixed" it
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Tourer
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From: Mission BC
my previous post may be mis-leading......when the bike crapped out it had about 24km's on it, it just turned 46,200km's this past summer and was running good and nothing wierd going on before being parked for the winter....
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well its now winter of 2011, when all this wierd crap happened on the road I had pulled into a highway gas station, got gas and checked the oil, waited awhile it was waaay down, put in 10-30 cause thats all the gas station had for oil and headed for the nearest town, barely got there and shut it down when oil pressure dropped off, checked it again and all oil mostly gone, service guy says to me I had overfilled it with oil and that caused the problem cause they found 3 liters in the crankcase !.....it wasn't the first oil change I'd done and why did all the oil go into the crankcase when I was on the highway before I stopped ?
Cruiser
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Ya know, I finally got my first Harley, a really nice one owner 04 classic. Rode Triumphs for years, even worked at a Triumph shop in So Cal. I'm 64 now. Sold that Triumph when I was 59, quit riding. Retired at 62, started ridin again, Honda ace a very nice Honda VTX I bought from my brother-inlaw and then the Harley. Started reading these forums and got concerned about the cam followers, soooo more money spent along with few up-grades. I maintain my stuff but , can't afford to keep putting money into this beautiful beast. Anything major at this point and she's a parts bike. Probably go back to Honda if I still choose to ride. Love my HD tho.!
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>>My 08, had to have the crank seal replaced at 10,000 miles. I would loose a quart of engine oil into the prim'y case in about a 2 hr ride!<<
>>>Ended up being a shaft seal leak between the crankcase and the primary.<<<
This has been going on since the Evo came out. It's hard to believe the MOCO hasn't fixed it yet. They used a single lipped seal on the primary side crank seal that keeps primary fluid out of the motor, but not motor oil out of the primary. They don't all leak, but most do, and some really badly. The only reason I can think of for not using a double lipped seal is they save a few pennies on each bike which becomes the mentality when a good company hires bean counters, goes public, and begins to sell stock.
Since the majority of these seals only leak a little (weep really) and most folks run wet primary drives I'd imagine the MOCO figured most owners would never notice it. But all the guys who run open belt drives (dry primary drives) notice it right away. The fix for them is putting a bead of sealant around it, or removing the seal and re-installing it backwards, or installing a new double lipped seal.
The dealers are kinda stuck between a rock and hard place with the MOCO's design problems. If they can blame it on the owner (you over filled the oil tank or whatever) they salvage some profit on the repairs. If they admit there's a flaw and fix it the warranty reimbursement they get from the MOCO is peanuts and not enough to keep the lights burning.
>>>Ended up being a shaft seal leak between the crankcase and the primary.<<<
This has been going on since the Evo came out. It's hard to believe the MOCO hasn't fixed it yet. They used a single lipped seal on the primary side crank seal that keeps primary fluid out of the motor, but not motor oil out of the primary. They don't all leak, but most do, and some really badly. The only reason I can think of for not using a double lipped seal is they save a few pennies on each bike which becomes the mentality when a good company hires bean counters, goes public, and begins to sell stock.
Since the majority of these seals only leak a little (weep really) and most folks run wet primary drives I'd imagine the MOCO figured most owners would never notice it. But all the guys who run open belt drives (dry primary drives) notice it right away. The fix for them is putting a bead of sealant around it, or removing the seal and re-installing it backwards, or installing a new double lipped seal.
The dealers are kinda stuck between a rock and hard place with the MOCO's design problems. If they can blame it on the owner (you over filled the oil tank or whatever) they salvage some profit on the repairs. If they admit there's a flaw and fix it the warranty reimbursement they get from the MOCO is peanuts and not enough to keep the lights burning.
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From: eastern oklahoma
as i watched harleys production while it increased drastically a few years ago, it sort of seems like they were more interested in building bikes fast and quality control suffered. i have a good friend who's flywheels scissored a few weeks ago, and he told me that there were several other motors with the same problem. his is an 09 rg. i'm hoping you bought into the extended warranty program. good luck with your bike.
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Road Captain
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I believe with everything that has been written on this forum you best prepare yourself for "dealing with the Stealership".
With all the horror stories inregrads to what is and isn't "covered by both the warranties"; I would certainly be preparing myself for whatever comes.
I would not depend on HD looking to look after "my" interests; only the individual can do that.
As others have said - Please keep us informed.
Ride In Peace
With all the horror stories inregrads to what is and isn't "covered by both the warranties"; I would certainly be preparing myself for whatever comes.
I would not depend on HD looking to look after "my" interests; only the individual can do that.
As others have said - Please keep us informed.
Ride In Peace
