Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
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RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
sounds as if the engine could be sumpin with a bad o-ring behind the oil pump...but let him do his own deal with the shop...as a biz owner if a friend calls me complainin about his his buddy/MY customer and that friend just happens to be a cop, well, all credibility is lost cause my customer didnt have the webbles to call himself and actually thought his police buddy yellin could get anything done...then they have to go thru ALL the channels and it could've been so much easier
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RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
First off, 1550 kit or not, they must repair the engine under warranty. Forget about more mods. If they fouled up the first time I would'nt trust them with yet more work. Oil pressure issue?! I'm not a pro wrench, just a back yard warrior, but something tells me this is BS. I suspect it has something to do with the Power Commander. Picked up my bike from the dealer yesterday after it's 1K sevice. While it was in I had them correct the well known popping and coughing issue typical of 06' models. They did the upgrade to 25 degree injectors and new download no questions asked. My bike no longer coughs through the intake, and decel popping has been reduced. Not eliminated, reduced. Fine with me. The bike runs great! So I talked to the service manager about possibly doing a SERT or PCIII in the future. He told me that at this dealership they would do the SERT, not the PCIII. He felt that a stock 88 does not need either, but then he said something interesting. He says that DynoJet, maker of the PCIII, makes many components for HD. Now if the PCIII was that good, don't you think that HD would be selling it? He then went on to say that he has seen cases where the PC's actually damaged the engine's ECM. Now don't shoot the messenger! This is the first time I have heard anything negative at all about the Power Commander. But this was coming from a profession HD mechanic, a veteran at that. Not a young gun who just got into the business. I would tend to give more weight to his word than just some guy with an opinion.
Anyway, I just wanted to pass that along. As for your friends Ultra, he should force that dealership to own up and honor the warranty. If your buddy decides to go for the 1550, well why not. But just remember, that will be more money spent toward a problem which should be corrected at zero cost.
Anyway, I just wanted to pass that along. As for your friends Ultra, he should force that dealership to own up and honor the warranty. If your buddy decides to go for the 1550, well why not. But just remember, that will be more money spent toward a problem which should be corrected at zero cost.
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RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
it may be the pciii but we just did cams on curtis's bike acoupla months ago and did not change the o-ring behind the oil pump...simple thing on a new motor right...nope...oil got by it into the crankcase and caused it to drag the crank...its called sumpin...motor made inconsistant power to 3k rpm and then wouldnt pull over 40 hp...thought it was bs myself til we tore the camchest back down and changed it...walla, worked like a champ
Road Warrior
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RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
Alright then. There you go. Nothing beats experience. Sumping. Never heard of it. That's one of the greatest things about this forum. Nowhere else in the world will you get this kind of info.
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RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
This kinda sounds like what mine is doing since the day I picked it up (has SE AC and slip-ons with stage 1 ecm), but is the sumpin felt every time you get on the bike? My bike's issue is long, but the previous posts are https://www.hdforums.com/m_558538/mp.../tm.htm#560346 and https://www.hdforums.com/m_559379/mp.../tm.htm#560041. Bike just hasn't felt like it was running to is potential. Having owned two previous year TC88s (01 FXD and 03 FXDL) this bike just felt sluggish, but not every time. Thankfully they got rid of the service manager and brough in someone that listened. I'm no expert, but having ridden various H-D models since 93, I do know when my bike isn't running right!
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Cruiser
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RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
ORIGINAL: bountyhunter
What the hell, it's gotta be fixed, that's what a warranty is for! Why not take the discount on the big bore at the same time? His bike, his decision, why would YOU call the dealer on HIS behalf and begin yelling at them? That in itself is absolutely ridiculous and insulting. A new bike or a free big bore, get real!
What the hell, it's gotta be fixed, that's what a warranty is for! Why not take the discount on the big bore at the same time? His bike, his decision, why would YOU call the dealer on HIS behalf and begin yelling at them? That in itself is absolutely ridiculous and insulting. A new bike or a free big bore, get real!
Secondly: It is in HORRIBLE TASTE for a dealer to try to sell a big bore kit on a four day old motorcycle that cost the guy 22k.
Thirdly: I called on his behalf because I know the general manager very well and I seem to get more done there than he does.
Finally: We spend more $$ on these bikes than most people (familys) spend on cars. We deserve better treatment than this and the dealer is at fault and liable to replace the bike because they NEVER TEST DROVE IT before delivery. That is on them and he does deserve anything he wants at this point. I am sorry if you don't agree.
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Cruiser
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From: Northern Illinois
RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
ORIGINAL: Yoman
After I got my new 06 Ultra, I noticed the oil pressure would drop almost to 0 when it was hot and at idle. Dealer I bought it from replaced the sensor and it was better but still low. Bike seemed not to have any power either. Took it to another dealer and they found a cut o-ring on the oil pump. It was causing the crankcase to fill with oil and not be returned. After the fix no more oil pressure probems and it runs like a raped ape.
Yoman
After I got my new 06 Ultra, I noticed the oil pressure would drop almost to 0 when it was hot and at idle. Dealer I bought it from replaced the sensor and it was better but still low. Bike seemed not to have any power either. Took it to another dealer and they found a cut o-ring on the oil pump. It was causing the crankcase to fill with oil and not be returned. After the fix no more oil pressure probems and it runs like a raped ape.
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Cruiser
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From: Northern Illinois
RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
ORIGINAL: bountyhunter
Another thing I find hard to believe about this story is the statement that it was NOT test ridden. Brand new bike, new pipes, PCIII, nothing mentioned about a dyno. I know my dealer test rides each bike before delivery, that is just common sense!
Another thing I find hard to believe about this story is the statement that it was NOT test ridden. Brand new bike, new pipes, PCIII, nothing mentioned about a dyno. I know my dealer test rides each bike before delivery, that is just common sense!
Yep no test ride or dyno. They used a generic map like I have on my bike because they want over $400.00 to dyno and map it. TOO much especially if you ever want to do any engine work that would require another dyno and custom map.
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Cruiser
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From: Northern Illinois
RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
ORIGINAL: Eyespy
I came from the world of sportbikes and race tracks originally. Aftermarket exhausts and PC IIIs are everywhere on that side of the isle. It is not unheard of to get the occasional faulty PC III. It can kill the performance, make for intermittent running problems, etc. One thing to trouble shoot these possible issues is to disconnect the PC III and see how the bike runs. If required, the stock exhaust can be put back on so that normal driveability should be restored if the problem is caused by the PC III.
I came from the world of sportbikes and race tracks originally. Aftermarket exhausts and PC IIIs are everywhere on that side of the isle. It is not unheard of to get the occasional faulty PC III. It can kill the performance, make for intermittent running problems, etc. One thing to trouble shoot these possible issues is to disconnect the PC III and see how the bike runs. If required, the stock exhaust can be put back on so that normal driveability should be restored if the problem is caused by the PC III.
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RE: Brand New ultra already in for engine work !!
After we were at the dealer my friend delt with the sales and service managers regarding the problem. I stayed out of it since it is not my bike and because my buddy can fight his own battles. The sales manager sat down with him and agreed to replace the bike if desired (nice offer if you ask me) OR repair the bike and give him a killer deal on the 1550. They have not given him a quote on the 1550 kit and do not intend on doing a dyno with custom map so that will be a few more hundred bucks. I will keep this post updated after I find out what he is going to do or what the dealer does for him. Personally, I would take the new bike and run but that is me.