Tw6-6 install
Like I said previously I do not like to speculate or jump to conclusions, especially on a bike I have never seen, however I tend to look at things mathematically and when we hear of an individual with an issue like this I look for the common denominator. Speaking specifically of the 2010 Touring model we have installed the TW6-6 cams on a wide range of 2010 bikes, many of them were dyno tuned by myself personally and I have tuned for this setup with PC-V, TTS, Thundermax and SEST. Several bikes also got the cam swap and were setup with our TW6-6 PC-V base map along with an Auto Tune which we then put some miles on and checked the trims which shows first hand the accuracy of the base map. We have also done the cam swap, simply installed our PC-V with base map, tested the bike which was within tune and the customer then rides off saving the expense of a dyno tune. I have ridden each and every one of these bikes and have not seen the original issue described by the OP, so it is difficult to diagnose without seeying his bike but it certainly does not match up to the experience we have seen at our shop first hand. It is good to hear that the bike is in good hands and has been taken to a very reputable tuner. I know Ed does not use a Dynojet Dyno and is not generally a proponent of Dynojet products and will likely remove the PC-V and tune with Directlink as this is the product he prefers, however I would be more than happy to help with any PC-V tuning related questions or support they require.
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Like I said previously I do not like to speculate or jump to conclusions, especially on a bike I have never seen, however I tend to look at things mathematically and when we hear of an individual with an issue like this I look for the common denominator. Speaking specifically of the 2010 Touring model we have installed the TW6-6 cams on a wide range of 2010 bikes, many of them were dyno tuned by myself personally and I have tuned for this setup with PC-V, TTS, Thundermax and SEST. Several bikes also got the cam swap and were setup with our TW6-6 PC-V base map along with an Auto Tune which we then put some miles on and checked the trims which shows first hand the accuracy of the base map. We have also done the cam swap, simply installed our PC-V with base map, tested the bike which was within tune and the customer then rides off saving the expense of a dyno tune. I have ridden each and every one of these bikes and have not seen the original issue described by the OP, so it is difficult to diagnose without seeying his bike but it certainly does not match up to the experience we have seen at our shop first hand. It is good to hear that the bike is in good hands and has been taken to a very reputable tuner. I know Ed does not use a Dynojet Dyno and is not generally a proponent of Dynojet products and will likely remove the PC-V and tune with Directlink as this is the product he prefers, however I would be more than happy to help with any PC-V tuning related questions or support they require.
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One question:
Does the PC-V allow you to adjust spark tables front and rear?
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I just picked my bike up after have a woods TW6-6 cam installation on my 2010 Road Glide Custom. I have a Ness big sucker, D&D fat cat 2 into 1 exhaust, PCV with fuel moto map, and stock 96".
Give it slight throttle in any gear and the bike sputters or slightly boggs down. Cruising at 2700 rpm, 70 mph with cruise control on in 6th gear and the bike misses out and an ocassional backfire (give it throttle and it doesn't go anywhere).
Any suggestions?
Give it slight throttle in any gear and the bike sputters or slightly boggs down. Cruising at 2700 rpm, 70 mph with cruise control on in 6th gear and the bike misses out and an ocassional backfire (give it throttle and it doesn't go anywhere).
Any suggestions?
I am now in Muncie, Indiana visiting family and my bike is at The Dyno Difference in Dallas.
Ed called me this morning and said he has dynoed my bike, removing the PCV and installing Direct Link. He said the bike is now running fine and pulling 86 hp and 90 something torque. He didn't have the sheets with him when he called. I will post them upon my return to Texas next week.
As it turns out the problem was the map.
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Thanks to everyone for your response and input.
I am now in Muncie, Indiana visiting family and my bike is at The Dyno Difference in Dallas.
Ed called me this morning and said he has dynoed my bike, removing the PCV and installing Direct Link. He said the bike is now running fine and pulling 86 hp and 90 something torque. He didn't have the sheets with him when he called. I will post them upon my return to Texas next week.
As it turns out the problem was the map.
I am now in Muncie, Indiana visiting family and my bike is at The Dyno Difference in Dallas.
Ed called me this morning and said he has dynoed my bike, removing the PCV and installing Direct Link. He said the bike is now running fine and pulling 86 hp and 90 something torque. He didn't have the sheets with him when he called. I will post them upon my return to Texas next week.
As it turns out the problem was the map.
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Attached is the dyno sheet after having bike dyno tuned. Red line is before
Blue Line is after
Bike is running fine now
89.4 HP
94.1 TQ
Blue Line is after
Bike is running fine now
89.4 HP
94.1 TQ
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Something is still off you should not have that dip at the start of the pull. What is the AFR set at for this pull does the bike go way lean at the start of the pull. Did you have your timing adjusted?
Look at the sheet Zack posted under your The Dyno Difference Thread. Your curves should look closer to those in those dyno pulls for the D&D Fat Cat
Look at the sheet Zack posted under your The Dyno Difference Thread. Your curves should look closer to those in those dyno pulls for the D&D Fat Cat
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Re-Tuned
I can't leave things alone so I changed the baffle from a concentric to the perforated wrapped. I took the bike back to The Dyno Difference for a re-tune and as it turned out I had a leak in my front exhaust header. Thanks to Ed from The Dyno Difference and Lloyd Stenerson from V Twin Solutions in Dallas the leak was fixed and I got the follwoing results. 88.5 HP and 98.9 TQ. Changing the baffle increased the TQ and fixing the exhaust leak eliminated the dips I originally had.