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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by deanp1964
a little ride during my lunch hour today confirmed that the noise only exists after the bike is warm - and doesn't happen at all at idle or normal accelleration, only when rolling back hard on throttle.
That is spark knock (ping). Timing is too aggressive for the heat and load. Stop hitting the throttle so hard until you get it resolved or you may just blow a hole in your pistons. Doubtful octane boost will do much for you since it only raises octane ratings by points (i.e. .1, .2, .3, etc). Timing tables need to be adjusted.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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my 2010 Forty Eight does the same thing, i thought it was just from the heat.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by deanp1964
my plugs look great - I filled up with good gas yesterday - may try the octane boost as well, but I'm beginning to doubt that this is a true PING problem. Its almost sounding like something rattling, (but why only when I roll back hard on throttle??

I havent eliminated timing as a cause yet, but nothing's been done to alter that from where it was a couple weeks ago.

I have the Fuel Moto stage one, (put on 2 months ago), and the PCV put on at the same time as stage one. Emailed Jamie at Fuel Moto to see if the new map i installed a few weeks ago could cause this, and he said "The upper area will not have changes as the map was not revised there."
It's fuel injected, I doubt you will be able to read the plugs correctly unless it was really messed up!

It's a ping, mine does it too at 2800 and above in 4th-6th.

Originally Posted by deanp1964
a little ride during my lunch hour today confirmed that the noise only exists after the bike is warm - and doesn't happen at all at idle or normal accelleration, only when rolling back hard on throttle.
Correct, that's because it's in open loop longer when when the engine is cold until the engine warms up.




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That is spark knock (ping). Timing is too aggressive for the heat and load. Stop hitting the throttle so hard until you get it resolved or you may just blow a hole in your pistons. Doubtful octane boost will do much for you since it only raises octane ratings by points (i.e. .1, .2, .3, etc). Timing tables need to be adjusted.
I believe that's my problem too, but apparently the guy who tuned mine doesn't know what he's doing! I'm going to see him Thursday AM and tell him to listen to me....Key word here is, listen.
To make sure it wasn't a fuel problem, I filled it up with Ethanol free 93 Octane. It's helped ever so slightly, so now I'm convinced it is tune related. Also, the ping is more pronounced with hotter outside air temps, I live where it' over 100*+ daily in summer! When it's cooler out, the ping is reduced..
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 03:47 PM
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To make sure it wasn't a fuel problem, I filled it up with Ethanol free 93 Octane. It's helped ever so slightly, so now I'm convinced it is tune related. Also, the ping is more pronounced with hotter outside air temps, I live where it' over 100*+ daily in summer! When it's cooler out, the ping is reduced..
Exactly, although ethanol doesn't contribute to ping (contrary to popular belief) since ethanol has an octane rating around 117. Its the final octane rating of the gas at delivery, but that's another thread entirely....

I ride with a couple of guys pretty regularly and we were coming back from a weekend trip about a week ago. Ambient air temps were 103-105. One has a 103 stage II with the 255 and the "dealer calibration" and the other is on a CVO (stock as a CVO can be) Fat Bob. Both were pinging like crazy running down the highway at 70mph in 6th. The only place they were happy was about 55-60 in 5th. I had no issues with my 105" at all. It's all in the tune (with that rare tank of "bad gas"). I might get 39 MPG while they get 42, but at least mine is running a lot happier....
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 07RoadHawg
Exactly, although ethanol doesn't contribute to ping (contrary to popular belief) since ethanol has an octane rating around 117. Its the final octane rating of the gas at delivery, but that's another thread entirely....

I ride with a couple of guys pretty regularly and we were coming back from a weekend trip about a week ago. Ambient air temps were 103-105. One has a 103 stage II with the 255 and the "dealer calibration" and the other is on a CVO (stock as a CVO can be) Fat Bob. Both were pinging like crazy running down the highway at 70mph in 6th. The only place they were happy was about 55-60 in 5th. I had no issues with my 105" at all. It's all in the tune (with that rare tank of "bad gas"). I might get 39 MPG while they get 42, but at least mine is running a lot happier....

Your buddy with the 103 Stage II and 255's is in trouble, weather or not he wants to believe it! A dealer Download is nothing more than a recalibration back to stock settings, which equates to a lean tune, 14.7 and he is running hot! Ask him how his inner right leg feels.... The only cure is a fuel management system.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 04:23 PM
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I had that problem on a 07 Sportster,it was under warranty,they started jacking me around and I got rid of it.I still think it was the ecm that did not retard the timming under hard acceleration.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 04:42 PM
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One of the MoCo philosophies is, if there is a problem and they don't acknowledge it, a problem doesn't exist!
 
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 07RoadHawg
That is spark knock (ping). Timing is too aggressive for the heat and load. Stop hitting the throttle so hard until you get it resolved or you may just blow a hole in your pistons. Doubtful octane boost will do much for you since it only raises octane ratings by points (i.e. .1, .2, .3, etc). Timing tables need to be adjusted.
Originally Posted by bobbydeuce
Check with Fuel Moto, I had a similar noise when accelerating and under load changed my PCV Ignition map, all good.
Originally Posted by DukeofEarl
I had the same problem and retarded the timing per Fuel Moto's suggestion in the PC-V map and the problem went away.
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Jamie at Fuel Moto emailed me a map with revised timing this morning, that he feels should take care of the problem. I'll be uploading it tonight after work - i'll keep ya'll posted. Thanks for your help
 
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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uploaded the map from Fuel Moto with revised timing and it eliminated the ping I was getting!

Very pleased indeed.

This forum has been a lot of help in the past, but this particular string really put the puzzle together for me and led to a fix.

thank you all!
 
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by deanp1964
uploaded the map from Fuel Moto with revised timing and it eliminated the ping I was getting!

Very pleased indeed.

This forum has been a lot of help in the past, but this particular string really put the puzzle together for me and led to a fix.

thank you all!
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