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Old Jan 8, 2013 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by davessworks
Or, infact, why? This isn't an oil thread. Seems like you're being a little bit of an Amsoil Mooney.

I realize it's not an oil thread, but it's part of the comp swap process, so when others say this works and this isn't great and there's no mention of what I've been using...I'm a little concerned for the health and longevity of my internals.

An Amsoil Mooney...no not really...it just happens to be what I've used from day 1 and I wanted to know if it would be a problem going forward...I was simply looking to see if I should change from Amsoil to something else.

I thought it was a pretty valid question...and yet no one seems to know.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2013 | 09:03 AM
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Virtually anything will work in there as long as it does not have a friction modifier as that will affect the clutch.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2013 | 07:04 AM
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Question Amsoil all three, like it but always lookin

Originally Posted by hammr_hed
I realize it's not an oil thread, but it's part of the comp swap process, so when others say this works and this isn't great and there's no mention of what I've been using...I'm a little concerned for the health and longevity of my internals.

An Amsoil Mooney...no not really...it just happens to be what I've used from day 1 and I wanted to know if it would be a problem going forward...I was simply looking to see if I should change from Amsoil to something else.

I thought it was a pretty valid question...and yet no one seems to know.
I too use it (Amsoil) (don't sell it) and near as I can tell from lots of reading and research nothing does a better job of minimizing wear...although right now I have Mobil 1 10w-40 (motorcycle) (close second to Amsoil) in my primary as an experiment. Some on this site suggested it works better than 20w-50. At this time I have about 200 miles and have to agree with those who suggested it as their is less clutch drag and more positive engagement....not sure about the wear on the comp as no one has commented and I haven't been using it long enough. I will undoubtedly change mine (comp) out when a fix comes along that makes it worth the money and effort. None yet near as I can tell....
 
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Old Jan 9, 2013 | 10:50 AM
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I've been using the Harley Formula+ for 41000 miles and installed the SE compansator at around 30,000 mi and bike shifts perfectly
 
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Old Jan 9, 2013 | 10:50 AM
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I've been using the Harley Formula+ for 41000 miles and installed the SE compensator at around 30,000 mi and bike shifts perfectly
 
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 07:45 PM
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Just wanted to say Thank You, with your pictures and tutorial this was a breeze, I too was able to complete this in about 3 hours.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RIPSAW
???The MAIN problem with the SEs is the inner bore frets out metal because no oil gets in there and stays. ????

Not my opinion and I have an extensive background in engineering for 46 years in a shipyard, Any part in the primary is running in an oil bath like dirty panties in a washing machine. The problem is in the base material and induction harding that Harley switched to when the went to the SE design. It's still tough as nails (old expression probably not fitting but understandable); but all that trash it generates probably is not good for the inner primary bearing and oil seal.
Has anyone tried inserting a sintered bronze bushing that will retain oil and pump more back into the material by capillarity as the temperature increases? There isn't that much specific pressure in this region so case hardening may not be present.

This Bronze "TOKAT" is another option to cover the sprocket retainer and avoid the Thrust washer:
http://www.bimetal.ch/en/index.php?page=products&chap=4

"Tough as nails" is said "good enough to make donkey shoes" over here
 

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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Expat1
Has anyone tried inserting a sintered bronze bushing that will retain oil and pump more back into the material by capillarity as the temperature increases? There isn't that much specific pressure in this region so case hardening may not be present.

This Bronze "TOKAT" is another option to cover the sprocket retainer and avoid the Thrust washer:
http://www.bimetal.ch/en/index.php?page=products&chap=4

"Tough as nails" is said "good enough to make donkey shoes" over here
The fretting I am referring to was the cast area ramp that the v-shaped limbs of the compensator ride up giving the cushion to the surges of the engine. Guess you were refering the the harden steel upon steel bore. Remember this area in the bore only get around 40 degree total movement. I has some scuffing there at 40K but it did not hurt anything since the fit between the two parts was still good. Any Harley since the TC has the ability to total lock this up on a heavy acceleration from a lot of throttle and heavy clutch unloading. Lot of people think a compensator is for protection and it does provide some but it's mainly to cushion the impulse from the lump run system of a Harley. The go way back. Protection is why Harley went to the cushion drive on the big cruisers. We used sintered bronze bushing in a lot of applications in a non oil bath environment all over ships but it is a very weak material. Works OK in a non shock type of application.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:40 PM
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Someone on another HD forum has come up with an oiler for the compensator and from what I've read, it may be available sometime in March. He is supposed to have a booth set up at the Cincinnati Expo Bike Show.

Maybe someone from here can go to said show and give us some more info on it.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 01:23 PM
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Thanks for the info great write up and love the pics
 
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