Installing SE compensator kit w/pics
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Or, infact, why? This isn't an oil thread. Seems like you're being a little bit of an Amsoil Mooney.
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Pay heed, Gentlemen. This spring a totally new compensator is going to hit the market. I AM the beta tester for a DIFFERENT comp that MAY hit the market soon. There is a group of us that tow, or have high output bikes.
Right now, TODAY, with things how they are, it is my LEARNED opinion that nothing beats Formula+ in helping make the SE comps live longer. Damn Soft02 being the exception that makes the rule.
The MAIN problem with the SEs is the inner bore frets out metal because no oil gets in there and stays. Remember that the outer does NOT spin on the inner, but just moves back and forth like a half inch to an inch.
AFter the dealer show, I will report back to you guys on the new comp, as I am EXCITED. Totally different design than anybody else's.
PS... I do NOT like Formula+ as a general rule. Not so good for clutch performance. But... my Rivera pro clutch seems to be doing fine with it.
Oh........... 3-in 1 oil will NOT work on an 07 up bike with a SE compensator. That bitch IS a bitch and I really wish MOCO would've stayed more with the 06 back comp. But... I know why they put the chain at the end of the sprocket, so there's nothing for it... until this SPRING!!! Oh... this WILL be from a top of the food chain company, too.
I'm just here to build a little excitement while winter passes us by.
Right now, TODAY, with things how they are, it is my LEARNED opinion that nothing beats Formula+ in helping make the SE comps live longer. Damn Soft02 being the exception that makes the rule.
The MAIN problem with the SEs is the inner bore frets out metal because no oil gets in there and stays. Remember that the outer does NOT spin on the inner, but just moves back and forth like a half inch to an inch.
AFter the dealer show, I will report back to you guys on the new comp, as I am EXCITED. Totally different design than anybody else's.
PS... I do NOT like Formula+ as a general rule. Not so good for clutch performance. But... my Rivera pro clutch seems to be doing fine with it.
Oh........... 3-in 1 oil will NOT work on an 07 up bike with a SE compensator. That bitch IS a bitch and I really wish MOCO would've stayed more with the 06 back comp. But... I know why they put the chain at the end of the sprocket, so there's nothing for it... until this SPRING!!! Oh... this WILL be from a top of the food chain company, too.
I'm just here to build a little excitement while winter passes us by.
Last edited by wurk_truk; Dec 14, 2012 at 09:57 PM.
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???The MAIN problem with the SEs is the inner bore frets out metal because no oil gets in there and stays. ????
Not my opinion and I have an extensive background in engineering for 46 years in a shipyard, Any part in the primary is running in an oil bath like dirty panties in a washing machine. The problem is in the base material and induction harding that Harley switched to when the went to the SE design. It's still tough as nails (old expression probably not fitting but understandable); but all that trash it generates probably is not good for the inner primary bearing and oil seal.
Not my opinion and I have an extensive background in engineering for 46 years in a shipyard, Any part in the primary is running in an oil bath like dirty panties in a washing machine. The problem is in the base material and induction harding that Harley switched to when the went to the SE design. It's still tough as nails (old expression probably not fitting but understandable); but all that trash it generates probably is not good for the inner primary bearing and oil seal.
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Not a 96ci..but a 88ci
Wow, you learn something new every day. None of the youtube vids mention this - not saying it isnt so, maybe its a function of the newer cases?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8yF423yz5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8yF423yz5I
Last edited by sailingwj; Dec 30, 2012 at 03:50 PM.
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If I understand the situation correctly, the original 96s pretty well had the compensators from the 88s. For the forces generated by the 88s the comps worked well. On the 96s, the design limits were matched with the forces involved. Manufacturing tolerances meant that some comps were "up to the job" but many were not. The SE comp had been developed for the big bore builds but was not in wide use until a couple of years into the 96 production when so many old style comps proved too weak. With more widespread adoption of the SE comp some of the weaknesses in it began to show up. I am approaching 35,000 miles on my SE comp installed on an 08 Road King. Several years ago I read about the developing problems and made a combination of modifications to my comp and it has run trouble free so far.
The comp may run in an oil bath but the oil level is never deep enough to submerge any part of the hub. While the engine is running, centrifugal force swings the oil away from the hub. No standing oil has a chance to "soak in" to the hub. The smooth machined faces on the front and back of the hub minimize the oil which can run in to the hub face while the machine is shut down. I put notches in the front and rear faces of the hub and connected the notches from front to back with spiral grooves inside the hub. It seems that this allowes the hub area to get re-oiled one way or another and prevents the fretting experienced by many users.
The comp may run in an oil bath but the oil level is never deep enough to submerge any part of the hub. While the engine is running, centrifugal force swings the oil away from the hub. No standing oil has a chance to "soak in" to the hub. The smooth machined faces on the front and back of the hub minimize the oil which can run in to the hub face while the machine is shut down. I put notches in the front and rear faces of the hub and connected the notches from front to back with spiral grooves inside the hub. It seems that this allowes the hub area to get re-oiled one way or another and prevents the fretting experienced by many users.
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Pay heed, Gentlemen. This spring a totally new compensator is going to hit the market. I AM the beta tester for a DIFFERENT comp that MAY hit the market soon. There is a group of us that tow, or have high output bikes.
Right now, TODAY, with things how they are, it is my LEARNED opinion that nothing beats Formula+ in helping make the SE comps live longer. Damn Soft02 being the exception that makes the rule.
The MAIN problem with the SEs is the inner bore frets out metal because no oil gets in there and stays. Remember that the outer does NOT spin on the inner, but just moves back and forth like a half inch to an inch.
AFter the dealer show, I will report back to you guys on the new comp, as I am EXCITED. Totally different design than anybody else's.
PS... I do NOT like Formula+ as a general rule. Not so good for clutch performance. But... my Rivera pro clutch seems to be doing fine with it.
Oh........... 3-in 1 oil will NOT work on an 07 up bike with a SE compensator. That bitch IS a bitch and I really wish MOCO would've stayed more with the 06 back comp. But... I know why they put the chain at the end of the sprocket, so there's nothing for it... until this SPRING!!! Oh... this WILL be from a top of the food chain company, too.
I'm just here to build a little excitement while winter passes us by.
Right now, TODAY, with things how they are, it is my LEARNED opinion that nothing beats Formula+ in helping make the SE comps live longer. Damn Soft02 being the exception that makes the rule.
The MAIN problem with the SEs is the inner bore frets out metal because no oil gets in there and stays. Remember that the outer does NOT spin on the inner, but just moves back and forth like a half inch to an inch.
AFter the dealer show, I will report back to you guys on the new comp, as I am EXCITED. Totally different design than anybody else's.
PS... I do NOT like Formula+ as a general rule. Not so good for clutch performance. But... my Rivera pro clutch seems to be doing fine with it.
Oh........... 3-in 1 oil will NOT work on an 07 up bike with a SE compensator. That bitch IS a bitch and I really wish MOCO would've stayed more with the 06 back comp. But... I know why they put the chain at the end of the sprocket, so there's nothing for it... until this SPRING!!! Oh... this WILL be from a top of the food chain company, too.
I'm just here to build a little excitement while winter passes us by.
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Broken tensioner shoe
Replaced my stock tensioner yesterday with the Hayden M6. The primary is now quieter, and I think I'm am hearing the compensator clunk on engine shut down. I will be watching this thread.
Here's a before pic of my tensioner.
Here's a before pic of my tensioner.