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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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Have it on 07 UC almost since new oil temp is down but bike's top end on a stop light still very hot on warm days.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 05:40 PM
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put mine on today,ice cubes popping out my pipes
 
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ftanner
Incorrect. The HD adapter is a "hunk of metal that adds an inlet and outlet pipe" and a thermostat..... Just like the Jagg adapter plate.
Not incorrect. Although the JAGG and HD adapters have common elements they are not the same; they both are sandwich type adapters, they both have an inlet and an outlet port, and they both have a thermostat(optional). HD adapter is a single cast piece, and allows oil to pass through the cooler before it is filtered. The JAGG adapter is multiple machined pieces, and passes oil through the filter before it passes to the cooler. With the HD adapter the cooled oil is more resistant to passing through the filter, resulting in a greater pressure drop. This is why JAGG puposely redesigned and engineered their adapter to create less presure drop. To call the JAGG adapter a Hunk of metal with two pipes is not only a discredit to the product, it is absolutely inacurate because it is comprised of several hunks of metal, precision machined and designed for maximum performance relative to oil flow in the Twin Cam.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 08:01 PM
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Yeah did the install a couple years ago. Works great.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fabrik8r
Not incorrect. Although the JAGG and HD adapters have common elements they are not the same; they both are sandwich type adapters, they both have an inlet and an outlet port, and they both have a thermostat(optional). HD adapter is a single cast piece, and allows oil to pass through the cooler before it is filtered. The JAGG adapter is multiple machined pieces, and passes oil through the filter before it passes to the cooler. With the HD adapter the cooled oil is more resistant to passing through the filter, resulting in a greater pressure drop. This is why JAGG puposely redesigned and engineered their adapter to create less presure drop. To call the JAGG adapter a Hunk of metal with two pipes is not only a discredit to the product, it is absolutely inacurate because it is comprised of several hunks of metal, precision machined and designed for maximum performance relative to oil flow in the Twin Cam.
Thanks for that imput. It was my main concern of the oil cooler affecting oil flow or pressure.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2011 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CopperHD
If you say so, stop babying the bike and go ride it. I had not had any issues riding in AZ in the middle of summer, if anything i overheat before the bike does. Why not just rip out that air cooled engine with all the attachments to keep it cool and throw in something liquid cooled.
Yes I do say so, and here’s why. You claim you are operating 2 bikes in 114F ambient temperatures for 5 hours and only producing oil temps of 225-240; anybody who pays attention to oil temps at all can clearly see that is way out of alignment. First of all how do you ride two bikes at the same time, and then try to use the temp gauge reading from one bike to make a claim about another bike that has no gauge. You obviously believe that you deserve some sort of recognition because you ride in a hotter climate than many, and you somehow think you’ve added more value to your own badassitude by posting bogus numbers and playing the hardcore, air cooled V twin, no oil cooler necessary card. You are a member of small group of extremely ignorant people who refuse to acknowledge one of the most fundamental proven performance premises, applicable to all motor sports; cooling contributes to improved performance, period. Oil, Coolant, CHT, Exhaust gas, Intake air charge, you name it and cooling it has a measurable benefit, not to mention operator comfort. BTW my wife is from Phoenix, where I have ridden my own bike for many miles and many hours commuting from El Paso, so I can say with great confidence that you are full of ****, sir.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2011 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fabrik8r
Yes I do say so, and here’s why. You claim you are operating 2 bikes in 114F ambient temperatures for 5 hours and only producing oil temps of 225-240; anybody who pays attention to oil temps at all can clearly see that is way out of alignment. First of all how do you ride two bikes at the same time, and then try to use the temp gauge reading from one bike to make a claim about another bike that has no gauge. You obviously believe that you deserve some sort of recognition because you ride in a hotter climate than many, and you somehow think you’ve added more value to your own badassitude by posting bogus numbers and playing the hardcore, air cooled V twin, no oil cooler necessary card. You are a member of small group of extremely ignorant people who refuse to acknowledge one of the most fundamental proven performance premises, applicable to all motor sports; cooling contributes to improved performance, period. Oil, Coolant, CHT, Exhaust gas, Intake air charge, you name it and cooling it has a measurable benefit, not to mention operator comfort. BTW my wife is from Phoenix, where I have ridden my own bike for many miles and many hours commuting from El Paso, so I can say with great confidence that you are full of ****, sir.
I am going to disagree with some of what you say...you say "cooling contibutes to improved performance, period"...and I say to a point it does...if the engine is running within its designed temperature parameters it should run fine...more cooling is not necessary, so say it is designed to run between 200 and 300 degrees and you are running at 250 degrees and you put on a cooler of some sort and bring the temp. down to 240 degrees that is not going to improve any of the performace parameters in any noticeable way (except maybe in felt comfort)...and if the engine is designed to stay within the normal parameters for temp during what is considered normal air temps for the USA you shouldn't "need" extra cooling in the USA...ALSO, liquid cooling is done for primarily for 1 reason..to keep the motor in the IDEAL operating range (something air cooled motors have a hard time doing)..not too hot and not too cool..by doing so you can design the engine to tighter clearances without having seizing (among other things).....So to wind this up a oil cooler should not be needed if the engine is designed correctly for the environment which it is to be used..
 
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Old Jun 29, 2011 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fabrik8r
Not incorrect. Although the JAGG and HD adapters have common elements they are not the same; they both are sandwich type adapters, they both have an inlet and an outlet port, and they both have a thermostat(optional). HD adapter is a single cast piece, and allows oil to pass through the cooler before it is filtered. The JAGG adapter is multiple machined pieces, and passes oil through the filter before it passes to the cooler. With the HD adapter the cooled oil is more resistant to passing through the filter, resulting in a greater pressure drop. This is why JAGG puposely redesigned and engineered their adapter to create less presure drop. To call the JAGG adapter a Hunk of metal with two pipes is not only a discredit to the product, it is absolutely inacurate because it is comprised of several hunks of metal, precision machined and designed for maximum performance relative to oil flow in the Twin Cam.
Glad you posted this - I was also thinking the adapter is just that: a piece with two hose adapters, nothing more. Now I see why Jagg's is $100+...
 
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Old Jun 29, 2011 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfikser
So to wind this up a oil cooler should not be needed if the engine is designed correctly for the environment which it is to be used..
That is only true if there are no variables, such as ambient temp, speed, load, etc.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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With the HD adapter the cooled oil is more resistant to passing through the filter, resulting in a greater pressure drop.
your buying into a marketing ploy. sometimes manufactures make things different just so they can say it is. The HD filter adapter only routes oil thru the filter when temps are above 240 degrees. I would not consider that too cool to flow thru a filter.

truth be told, I advocate the use of any oil cooler, the brand and technology are less important. If you want to route oil thru your frame or handle bars, thats fine too.
 
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