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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HolePuncher
I think heli-coils are great given the right application. The problem with heli-coils in spark plug applications is that you don't have full heat transfer and it's not un-heard of for the heli-coil to come out with the plug in aluminum heads. Many manufacturers, such as GM, Honda, and Ford, recommend the Time-Sert to repair spark plug threads.

Just my 2 cents, YMMV, To Each His Own, and it's not my dog that's pooping in your yard.

Time-Sert vs. heli-coil:
The heat transfer is a valid consideration except no type of insert will ever transfer heat the same way as the original unmolested spark plug threads in the head material. There will always be an insulating effect from the very thin air gap between female threads in the basemetal and the male threads of the repair insert. If thermal transfer is a significant concern for whatever reason, you will need to get a new head. For most folks the cheaper heliciol sparkplug repair kit will be more than adequate, and it won't exactly be cheap either.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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Soft 02: Thanks. Makes complete sense.

How's the weather down there? Been really nice in Salinas the last few days. I rode down to King City yesterday, then headed back up on Carmel Valley road. Was a great day. Whoops.....stold the thread....not my intention!
Weathers getting nice. Should be 102 by tuesday. SLO is a nice 75 deg.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 04:56 PM
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I'm with Holepuncher on this one but would remove the head. Just don't see any way to keep 100% of the debris out of the combustion chamber doing it in place. Having said that, add $100 to the cost of the Timesert kit and buy a set of '06 or later take offs, replace both heads and use .030" head gaskets for a little performance boost.

Then, see about repairing the old heads by retapping or helicoil and put them on Ebay, even if you only get $75 for them; you're ahead.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 04:56 PM
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The Time-sert, with exponential interaction and continuous mass, is coupled to different heat zones along it's entire mass, whereas the non-integrability of the Heli-coil system leads to a quasi-ergodic behaviour. It is shown numerically that a stationary linear temperature gradient is supported by the Time-sert. The conductivity coefficient kappa depends on the mass ratio and the temperature of the surrounding media. The theoretical values for Time-sert vs. Heli-coils compare reasonably well with experimental results in Al and Mg alloys.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HolePuncher
I guess that if you can get the tap to follow the damaged threads and not cut new ones it would get you back on the road. I really did have a buggered spark plug blow right out of my engine and dent the hood of my Citroen right after I had it painted.

My car, since sold.
Yep last week we had a ford triton 5.4 in my shop blow a plug out and we pulled the head and heli coiled it. Wish I knew about this tool. Wouldnt have had to pull the head!
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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Jus' messin' wit chu, dog.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 05:36 PM
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Get the back tire off the ground, in gear, hand roll the tire untill you can get the intake or exhaust valve opened for the cylinder being repaired, stuff an air hose in the tail pipe or throttle body(which ever valve is open), stuff a rag around it and tape it in place. open the air valve and keep it open at low pressure while performing the tapping operation, the air will keep all of the chips blowing out of the hole, no worry of rouge chips getting in the cylinder and damaging the wall or rings.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by djl
I'm with Holepuncher on this one but would remove the head. Just don't see any way to keep 100% of the debris out of the combustion chamber doing it in place. Having said that, add $100 to the cost of the Timesert kit and buy a set of '06 or later take offs, replace both heads and use .030" head gaskets for a little performance boost.

Then, see about repairing the old heads by retapping or helicoil and put them on Ebay, even if you only get $75 for them; you're ahead.

Piston top dead, and a quality medical gauze pad coated in grease.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rickr01
Piston top dead, and a quality medical gauze pad coated in grease.

what he said....been there, done that ...many times....helicoils are cheap easy and dependable...and if they do come out you can just put another back in...although I have never seen one come...I go with what I know in cases like this ...and helicoils work...
 
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 06:07 PM
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I think I am going to give the heli coil a shot and if that fails I will replace the heads
Thanks I do appreciate all the information here.
 
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