View Poll Results: Recall / Insurance
Bike is up to date on all recalls
87
89.69%
No way, not me - recall this
11
11.34%
Insurance kma- hand made/or not - they no nada
3
3.09%
Talk to my insurance, send pics of all after market / any add on's
3
3.09%
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Road Warrior
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From: Sunnyvale, Ca.
[quote=2black1s;9049548]It has to be done? I'm not sure what you mean by that. A HARLEY DEALER WILL NOT LET YOU LEAVE IF THE BIKE IS IN THE SHOP FOR ANY REPAIR WARRANTY ETC. THEY HAVE TO PREFORM THE RECALL
What has to be done is the manufacturer has to make an attempt to notify owners once the recall is initiated. There are laws in-place defining what steps are required in making that attempt. AGAIN, THE OEM DEALER CAN NOT LET YOU LEAVE WITHOUT PERFORMING ALL RECALLS
But there are no laws requiring that an owner of an affected item has to follow through with having the repairs made, that I am aware of. YOU GOT THE NOTICE, YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE IT, YOU HURT /KILL SOMEBODY AND IT'S FOUND YOU NEVER ATTEMTPTED TO BRING THE M/C INTO THE SHOP TO PEFORM THE RECALL...ANY GOOD INSRANCE ADJUSTER / ATTORNEY WILL SIGHT YOU AS LIABLE - NOT HARLEY
The manufacturer must also offer the repair/replacement/whatever at no cost to the owner for the life of the item (ten years from date of first purchase in the case of a HD). STUPID HURTS STUPID
And for all you extended warranty proponents out there, consider this... For absolutely free, you can have an extended warranty for ten years from your bike's date of first purchase on your brake switch... but only if you choose not to have it replaced now. Kinda funny how that works heh? EXTENDED WARRANTY / INSURANCE - PRAYING - GOOD LUCK
For me, that means if my brake switch ever fails, HD will be obligated to replace it for free until September 2020. UNLESS IT FAILS "WITH IN A TIMELY MATTER" AND YOU CHOOSE NOT TO ADHEAR TO THE RECALL NOTICE - SAY WITHIN 24 MONTHS
Like I've said previously, everyone makes up their own mind and as long as you feel good with your decision, that's all that matters.
I simply prefer not to have anyone else work on my bike if it's at all possible - so I'll wait. 100% AGREE - MY BIKE HAS NEVER BEEN IN A SHOP UNLESS - WARRANTY WORK / RECALLS - well 1 time for belt , but learned my lesson [/quote]
What has to be done is the manufacturer has to make an attempt to notify owners once the recall is initiated. There are laws in-place defining what steps are required in making that attempt. AGAIN, THE OEM DEALER CAN NOT LET YOU LEAVE WITHOUT PERFORMING ALL RECALLS
But there are no laws requiring that an owner of an affected item has to follow through with having the repairs made, that I am aware of. YOU GOT THE NOTICE, YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE IT, YOU HURT /KILL SOMEBODY AND IT'S FOUND YOU NEVER ATTEMTPTED TO BRING THE M/C INTO THE SHOP TO PEFORM THE RECALL...ANY GOOD INSRANCE ADJUSTER / ATTORNEY WILL SIGHT YOU AS LIABLE - NOT HARLEY
The manufacturer must also offer the repair/replacement/whatever at no cost to the owner for the life of the item (ten years from date of first purchase in the case of a HD). STUPID HURTS STUPID
And for all you extended warranty proponents out there, consider this... For absolutely free, you can have an extended warranty for ten years from your bike's date of first purchase on your brake switch... but only if you choose not to have it replaced now. Kinda funny how that works heh? EXTENDED WARRANTY / INSURANCE - PRAYING - GOOD LUCK
For me, that means if my brake switch ever fails, HD will be obligated to replace it for free until September 2020. UNLESS IT FAILS "WITH IN A TIMELY MATTER" AND YOU CHOOSE NOT TO ADHEAR TO THE RECALL NOTICE - SAY WITHIN 24 MONTHS
Like I've said previously, everyone makes up their own mind and as long as you feel good with your decision, that's all that matters.
I simply prefer not to have anyone else work on my bike if it's at all possible - so I'll wait. 100% AGREE - MY BIKE HAS NEVER BEEN IN A SHOP UNLESS - WARRANTY WORK / RECALLS - well 1 time for belt , but learned my lesson [/quote]
Last edited by trackadaptor; Nov 17, 2011 at 09:31 AM.
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From: Simi Valley, CA
trackadaptor,
This would be a fun discussion over a beer cuz we're miles apart at this point and chances of coming to any kind of consensus over the internet is simply not going to happen.
In person over a beer, maybe a little chance on certain points but I don't think we'll ever completely agree.
That said, you make two points that I can somewhat agree with.
1) As for the insurance issue - If I were involved in an accident, and IF the cause of the accident could be DIRECTLY attributed to a failed brake switch, and IF it could be proven that I was fully aware of the issue and negligent in having it repaired, then there's a chance that you're correct.
In thinking about this issue, something I think you and others maybe overlooking is that that there is another option for owners besides having the repair made. And this is a direct quote from the recall notice: "Should you choose to ride your motorcycle prior to this service, we urge you to be aware of this condition." So as long as I'm aware of the condition and take steps to ensure that it hasn't affected my bike, I don't think you could prove I was negligent in any way.
2) We somewhat agree on working on our own bikes. I may take that position just a little farther than you, but we're close.
So cheers! To where we can agree.
Everywhere else we are miles apart. Have you put any research into forming your opinions? I have for mine.
This would be a fun discussion over a beer cuz we're miles apart at this point and chances of coming to any kind of consensus over the internet is simply not going to happen.
In person over a beer, maybe a little chance on certain points but I don't think we'll ever completely agree.
That said, you make two points that I can somewhat agree with.
1) As for the insurance issue - If I were involved in an accident, and IF the cause of the accident could be DIRECTLY attributed to a failed brake switch, and IF it could be proven that I was fully aware of the issue and negligent in having it repaired, then there's a chance that you're correct.
In thinking about this issue, something I think you and others maybe overlooking is that that there is another option for owners besides having the repair made. And this is a direct quote from the recall notice: "Should you choose to ride your motorcycle prior to this service, we urge you to be aware of this condition." So as long as I'm aware of the condition and take steps to ensure that it hasn't affected my bike, I don't think you could prove I was negligent in any way.
2) We somewhat agree on working on our own bikes. I may take that position just a little farther than you, but we're close.
So cheers! To where we can agree.
Everywhere else we are miles apart. Have you put any research into forming your opinions? I have for mine.
Last edited by 2black1s; Nov 18, 2011 at 07:20 PM.
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From: navarre ohio
you are not required to have the recall done.you cant be denied for a part that was put there by the factory..the thing is, the recall is for a faulty part that is going to fail.the manufacturer wouldn't be offering to spend money on an already sold vehicle if the government didn't require it for a reason. they only honer the recall for so long, after that the repair comes out of your pocket.
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From: Simi Valley, CA
you are not required to have the recall done.you cant be denied for a part that was put there by the factory..the thing is, the recall is for a faulty part that is going to fail.the manufacturer wouldn't be offering to spend money on an already sold vehicle if the government didn't require it for a reason. they only honer the recall for so long, after that the repair comes out of your pocket.
For safety recalls that period is "60 days" for tire related issues and for "the life of the item" for all other safety issues (life of the item is defined as 10 years from date of first purchase in this case).
This information is directly from a government website of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).
As for the part "is going to fail", that is not true. The part has a higher probability of failure than is considered acceptable, but that does not mean it is going to fail. It may fail.
Last edited by 2black1s; Nov 17, 2011 at 08:59 PM.
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Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2007
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From: Sunnyvale, Ca.
My research: to many stories from my buddy who is an insurance attorney.
Don't start up on that
Simi Valley not to far from Sylvan next trip in April I'll ping ya for a beer meeting
Don't start up on that
Simi Valley not to far from Sylvan next trip in April I'll ping ya for a beer meeting
trackadaptor,
This would be a fun discussion over a beer cuz we're miles apart at this point and chances of coming to any kind of consensus over the internet is simply not going to happen.
In person over a beer, maybe a little chance on certain points but I don't think we'll ever completely agree.
That saied, you make two points that I can somewhat agree with.
1) As for the insurance issue - If I were involved in an accident, and IF the cause of the accident could be DIRECTLY attributed to a failed brake switch, and IF it could be proven that I was fully aware of the issue and negligent in having it repaired, then there's a chance that you're correct.
In thinking about this issue, something I think you and others maybe overlooking is that that there is another option for owners besides having the repair made. And this is a direct quote from the recall notice: "Should you choose to ride your motorcycle prior to this service, we urge you to be aware of this condition." So as long as I'm aware of the condition and take steps to ensure that it hasn't affected my bike, I don't think you could prove I was negligent in any way.
2) We somewhat agree on working on our own bikes. I may take that position just a little farther than you, but we're close.
So cheers! To where we can agree.
Everywhere else we are miles apart. Have you put any research into forming your opinions? I have for mine.
This would be a fun discussion over a beer cuz we're miles apart at this point and chances of coming to any kind of consensus over the internet is simply not going to happen.
In person over a beer, maybe a little chance on certain points but I don't think we'll ever completely agree.
That saied, you make two points that I can somewhat agree with.
1) As for the insurance issue - If I were involved in an accident, and IF the cause of the accident could be DIRECTLY attributed to a failed brake switch, and IF it could be proven that I was fully aware of the issue and negligent in having it repaired, then there's a chance that you're correct.
In thinking about this issue, something I think you and others maybe overlooking is that that there is another option for owners besides having the repair made. And this is a direct quote from the recall notice: "Should you choose to ride your motorcycle prior to this service, we urge you to be aware of this condition." So as long as I'm aware of the condition and take steps to ensure that it hasn't affected my bike, I don't think you could prove I was negligent in any way.
2) We somewhat agree on working on our own bikes. I may take that position just a little farther than you, but we're close.
So cheers! To where we can agree.
Everywhere else we are miles apart. Have you put any research into forming your opinions? I have for mine.
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Something for everyone to consider...
Recalls cost alot of money for the facotry. If they are doing the recall, trust me, it is serious, or they wouldn't spend the money.
You don't have to accept your bike back until it meets your sandards. The tech that did my switch did it professionally with the HD tool and bled the system, and cleaned the area up. You will not find a more paricular person that me when it comes to my bikes fucntion and cleanliness. If you find a cleaner bike, then the owner needs to start riding it.
~Joe
Recalls cost alot of money for the facotry. If they are doing the recall, trust me, it is serious, or they wouldn't spend the money.
You don't have to accept your bike back until it meets your sandards. The tech that did my switch did it professionally with the HD tool and bled the system, and cleaned the area up. You will not find a more paricular person that me when it comes to my bikes fucntion and cleanliness. If you find a cleaner bike, then the owner needs to start riding it.
~Joe
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From: Glendale AZ
I stopped in at me local dealership and asked the parts dude if I could buy a switch and If I can look at it. He comes back and I could tell with all the pics floating around it was the same old switch by the bevel. I asked him to confirm if its the newest switch because it looks like the old one. He comes back and says your right, here's the recall switch. He had them both in his hands and the newer one deff had the beveled cone and was made in Italy. I told him ok then sell me the recall switch. He told me right now he's not allowed to sell any recall switches. I could have sworn I read that some were buying the switch and putting it in themselves or must have confused what I wanted to do with others wanting to also? Anyone bought one and did it themselves or am I the only one mental not wanting anyone to touch my bike?
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From: Simi Valley, CA
I stopped in at me local dealership and asked the parts dude if I could buy a switch and If I can look at it. He comes back and I could tell with all the pics floating around it was the same old switch by the bevel. I asked him to confirm if its the newest switch because it looks like the old one. He comes back and says your right, here's the recall switch. He had them both in his hands and the newer one deff had the beveled cone and was made in Italy. I told him ok then sell me the recall switch. He told me right now he's not allowed to sell any recall switches. I could have sworn I read that some were buying the switch and putting it in themselves or must have confused what I wanted to do with others wanting to also? Anyone bought one and did it themselves or am I the only one mental not wanting anyone to touch my bike?
I'm with you! But we seem to be the definite minority in this case.
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From: Glendale AZ
I have a Wary nature and found Murphy's Law to be alive and well back behind the scenes of a dealership. When the guy behind the counter asked me why don't you bring it in and let them deal with it my response was, I don't like anyone touching my bike. As I was saying that a tech was walking thru towards the back and he responded with, yeah don't we all.
Hey 2black, I tried to pull the wire connectors off the switch to put some di-electric grease on them awhile back and they wouldn't come off the switch posts, have you had them off the switch before?
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