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Road Warrior
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From: Miami, FL
I will chime in with my experience here.
First and foremost, and this is the MOST important thing, you need to be realistic about your goals longterm for what you will or might do with the bike.
I had been away from bikes for a longtime when I came back in the last 2 years, and thought the power VS smile factor was enough for me. I got bored quick, a sportster turned into a bike with a 96 which turned into a bike with a 103, which I know am getting ready to add cams to, etc, etc.
I say this because IMHO, certain tuners with a canned map are fine for just a Stage 1, intake, exhaust, A/C, etc. However if you think there is any chance you might do anything else down the road I would say go talk to whoever will be doing your tuning, and see what they like. For a full professional dyne tune, I believe the competency of the person doing the work is more important than what system they use.
It would have saved me a ton of money to have listened to some of the guys who have been around here longer than I when I first came on.
Now, if you do not have a competent tuner in your area, or you know or think you will change parts a lot, then an auto tuner like the Rev Performance EMS will be a better choice.
I myself have been very pleased with Fuel Moto and their service, and with my bike for the Stage 1, but now I am stuck with a tuner (Power Vision) they provided in which no one else seems to even know exist, or work with, which traps me into pipes, cams, etc, that they have maps for. That might not be a bad thing, but it's like being stuck in a cell phone contract.
Just do your homework and see what works best for you.......
Just my $0.02
First and foremost, and this is the MOST important thing, you need to be realistic about your goals longterm for what you will or might do with the bike.
I had been away from bikes for a longtime when I came back in the last 2 years, and thought the power VS smile factor was enough for me. I got bored quick, a sportster turned into a bike with a 96 which turned into a bike with a 103, which I know am getting ready to add cams to, etc, etc.
I say this because IMHO, certain tuners with a canned map are fine for just a Stage 1, intake, exhaust, A/C, etc. However if you think there is any chance you might do anything else down the road I would say go talk to whoever will be doing your tuning, and see what they like. For a full professional dyne tune, I believe the competency of the person doing the work is more important than what system they use.
It would have saved me a ton of money to have listened to some of the guys who have been around here longer than I when I first came on.
Now, if you do not have a competent tuner in your area, or you know or think you will change parts a lot, then an auto tuner like the Rev Performance EMS will be a better choice.
I myself have been very pleased with Fuel Moto and their service, and with my bike for the Stage 1, but now I am stuck with a tuner (Power Vision) they provided in which no one else seems to even know exist, or work with, which traps me into pipes, cams, etc, that they have maps for. That might not be a bad thing, but it's like being stuck in a cell phone contract.
Just do your homework and see what works best for you.......
Just my $0.02
Tourer
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From: Denver Colorado
I checked with all the local shops - they all wanted to sell their product and none of them were the same. Finally found a shop owner that told me based on my riding and desire to do mods that I should stick with a PCV (which can be supplemented with AutoTune). I shopped EBay and others - found you can't beat FuelMoto and Jamie. They sell the PCV-Retrofit (not PC III). Double the warranty and provide MAPS for your mods at no additional cost. Works perfect and FM supports the products and all the mods (exhaust, slip ons, cams,...). Ride safe and often.
Supporter
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From: N.E. Wisconsin
I checked with all the local shops - they all wanted to sell their product and none of them were the same. Finally found a shop owner that told me based on my riding and desire to do mods that I should stick with a PCV (which can be supplemented with AutoTune). I shopped EBay and others - found you can't beat FuelMoto and Jamie. They sell the PCV-Retrofit (not PC III). Double the warranty and provide MAPS for your mods at no additional cost. Works perfect and FM supports the products and all the mods (exhaust, slip ons, cams,...). Ride safe and often.
+1 FM are hard to beat.
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From: Phoenix '53, '88, '09 Big Twins
My 09 is pipes and air cleaner only, I did not want a complicated "tuning" system.
I use nightrider.com XIEDS. $125 shipped and done.
IF I were to do cams, I would look first at thundermax- I read fewer questions and complaints about that system than others.
I was not willing to learn a whole new trade as a computer/bike programmer, and have no interest in adjusting cell values hoping for a good result- hence my choice.
which turned out to be the least expensive.
as mentioned above, you'd do best to start reading about the various systems and the pros and cons of operation, reliability and cost
mike
I use nightrider.com XIEDS. $125 shipped and done.
IF I were to do cams, I would look first at thundermax- I read fewer questions and complaints about that system than others.
I was not willing to learn a whole new trade as a computer/bike programmer, and have no interest in adjusting cell values hoping for a good result- hence my choice.
which turned out to be the least expensive.
as mentioned above, you'd do best to start reading about the various systems and the pros and cons of operation, reliability and cost
mike
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I would pass on the whole fuel moto deal whether or not you go the auto tuning route, I am definitely not a fan of theirs.
Also good tuners are very hard to find no matter what system they use. I don't know of any good tuners in Minnesota. I use the TTS and it works great, but I had it tuned by Doc while I was down in Florida, that is a long way to go just for a tune.
The Xied's might be an option, although I don't know how well they work with true duals, but I don't think that should be a problem. Call Steve at Night Rider and ask him.
The Rev Performance EMS is costly and pretty new (new to me anyway) but I think if I had it to do all over again the Rev Performance is the way I would go, or at least I would look at it very closely before making a decision.
Also good tuners are very hard to find no matter what system they use. I don't know of any good tuners in Minnesota. I use the TTS and it works great, but I had it tuned by Doc while I was down in Florida, that is a long way to go just for a tune.
The Xied's might be an option, although I don't know how well they work with true duals, but I don't think that should be a problem. Call Steve at Night Rider and ask him.
The Rev Performance EMS is costly and pretty new (new to me anyway) but I think if I had it to do all over again the Rev Performance is the way I would go, or at least I would look at it very closely before making a decision.
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Cruiser
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From: minnesota
I thank everyone for there input. I decided to go with the pv from fm sorry it took so long to reply couldn't find my thread new to this . There is a lot of lnformation on this forum .
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Wish I had seen your post earlier, I've got an 09 tbw pcv I would sell you for $125 shipped. If I were you tho, I would put the pipes and ac on and see how the bike runs. If it seems OK, ride it. Otherwise I would go with the RevPerf EMS. It will save you money in the long run.
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Joined: May 2011
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From: Cape Coral, Fl
I think you will be more than happy with your purchase from Fuel Moto. Lots of people on this forum are and I am one of them. They are always ready and willing to help and have maps for most applications. Being in MN, it would not be totally out of the question to ride over and have Jamie do a dyno tune. He is good and reasonably priced.
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Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Pa
for an 09 id pony up and do the zippers thundermax ! your 09 has the o2 bungs in the correct spot up by the jugs for the thundermax. with its auto tune any future mods and itll will auto adjust. i have an 11 SG and would have to change my head pipes so thats an added expence so im going with the SE pro race tuner but if i had a 09 iy would be the thundermax !
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