Power Commander -or- Screamin Eagle Tuner ?
Road Master
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From: Port St. Lucie FL
IMHO if all you are doing is a stage 1 and never plan on making any other changes, the PV is overkill and the PC-V would do you just fine. Why spend the extra $150 if you will never use the additional capabilities? Just sayin'....
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From: SE Michigan
One advantage to the PC-V that you haven't mentioned is that you can move it from one bike to another, where the PV will be "married" to that one bike once you use it. This came in handy when i traded my 2010 EGC for a 2012 Ultra...was just a question of contacting FM for a new map and off I went.
IMHO if all you are doing is a stage 1 and never plan on making any other changes, the PV is overkill and the PC-V would do you just fine. Why spend the extra $150 if you will never use the additional capabilities? Just sayin'....
IMHO if all you are doing is a stage 1 and never plan on making any other changes, the PV is overkill and the PC-V would do you just fine. Why spend the extra $150 if you will never use the additional capabilities? Just sayin'....
Tourer
Joined: Dec 2011
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From: PA
You can move the PV.... Its just a matter of purchasing a license for another bike. And by taking out a pcv, tuned for the current bike, you leave the bike with a stage 1 upgrade but no mapping for the next owner...kind of a crappy thing to do.
None of the above - Power Vision! Buy it from Jamie at Fuelmoto, get a map for your setup already on the device. Free lifetime maps from Jamie.
The Power Commander approach is outdated, IMHO - At this point I would never go with a piggy-back system. The Power Vision is a flash tuner, so flash your bike and ride, no goofy appendages required to be on your bike (although you can keep it on to monitor in real time, or log your engine's performance, but strictly optional and most dont bother).
The SE Tuner is roughly the same price as a power vision, but then you have to pay someone to dyno tune the bike - another $3-500, and you are relying on the skill of the tuner to get a good tune.
Jamie's maps are the result of many dyno tunes and adjustments, so you can just skip that part and get a map from him, no additional cost.
The Power Commander approach is outdated, IMHO - At this point I would never go with a piggy-back system. The Power Vision is a flash tuner, so flash your bike and ride, no goofy appendages required to be on your bike (although you can keep it on to monitor in real time, or log your engine's performance, but strictly optional and most dont bother).
The SE Tuner is roughly the same price as a power vision, but then you have to pay someone to dyno tune the bike - another $3-500, and you are relying on the skill of the tuner to get a good tune.
Jamie's maps are the result of many dyno tunes and adjustments, so you can just skip that part and get a map from him, no additional cost.
Tourer
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From: PA
Never had one issue with one, nor anyone else I know... To me that's a non issue. I need more convincing on that.
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From: Lansing mi
I've had both SEST and PCV and for me I like the PCV better because I got it from Fuel-Moto, they will send it to you pre-mapped to your set up, just plug and play, my bike runs great. Depends a lot on your personalty. I don't like to mess with stuff I'm a plug and play type. If I ever do make changes like a cam FM will send a new map free.
Now if you like to set things up to every detail or do a lot of motor work then I think the PV would be better then a PCV for you....Good luck. mapped
Now if you like to set things up to every detail or do a lot of motor work then I think the PV would be better then a PCV for you....Good luck. mapped
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From: SE Michigan
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Its not insurmountable, and everyone has their preferences, and mine is not to have an extra thing attached to my bike.
These threads always seem to get to be like the oil threads. We all have our opinions and personal choices. I like the whole PV concept, but I also REALLY like my PCV with Autotune. Adding the Autotune takes the "caned" map to the next level. As for the "piggy back", if there is a problem simply unplug the PCV from the loop and ride. I don't know enough about the SE tuner to make an informed opinion, but if you have someone you trust to do your tune using the SE then it just becomes a matter of what YOU want.
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Tourer
Joined: Dec 2011
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From: PA
I just ordered the PC-V from FM. For the original poster and me... If FM even said it was good for my needs and the vision was more then I needed, ....convince me that the vision is worth the extra if I could care less about those fancy features and just want plug and play. How many of us used regular power commanders for years with great results and piggy backing was never an issue. If you want the newest thing, and you know what you are doing when it comes to changing data that the vision gives you, and you will actually make changes, then sure. But I think 90% of us just want the new map and be done. The PC-V gives that...so again convince me why I should change my order with FM before it ships Monday to a vision.
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From: SE Michigan
I just ordered the PC-V from FM. For the original poster and me... If FM even said it was good for my needs and the vision was more then I needed, ....convince me that the vision is worth the extra if I could care less about those fancy features and just want plug and play. How many of us used regular power commanders for years with great results and piggy backing was never an issue. If you want the newest thing, and you know what you are doing when it comes to changing data that the vision gives you, and you will actually make changes, then sure. But I think 90% of us just want the new map and be done. The PC-V gives that...so again convince me why I should change my order with FM before it ships Monday to a vision.
If you really just want a new map and be done, thats what the PV gives you if you want, because if all you are getting is a map, why would you want to have an extra device sitting on the bike?