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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by leicafish
just my .02. Bolting on placebos only adds a false sense of security, riding and getting to know your machine is best.
True-Track is not a placebo, but a well engineered solution. I have had them on two bikes over several years and they are a revelation. It's the only way to travel!
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mkguitar
Never had a problem I didn't cause.
Sounds like rider was coming in too hot, trying the change speed in the middle of a curve ( remember if you hit the rear brake, the bike will stand up and go straight) and loosing mental control of the ride.

Jeez, I gotta lot of miles under easy and hard riding, never felt that stapling a ladder brace under my bike would correct my faults, just about any bike out there will do more than I can
A lot of sport bikes will handle hard braking in fairly extreme leans on clean pavement. I had a '78 850 Suzuki that I could nail the brakes on in a hard turn, and it didn't give any negative feedback at all; first bike I rode that could do that. Unfortunately, Harley doesn't seem to have figured that out yet, I ride mine pretty easy compared to most non-Harley's I've had. I think the aftermarket braces on some Dynas are a very good idea, even if you don't ride like it's a rocket; it's just added safety for unexpected situations. I've ridden bikes that would go into a tank slapper at any excuse, had one that felt like the frame had a rubber section in the middle, and rode a chopped Harley that took muscles to straighten out of a turn; some of those pre-80's bikes had evil quirks, especially Hondas. I go though hiway curves 10 or 30 over the posted limit frequently, even in my cage; most of those signs are pretty conservative. Don't do it on roads I don't know or can't see far around the curve, though, wouldn't do to scrape pegs on a tight one and find a farm tractor putting along in the middle of the road.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 12:51 PM
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My bike has developed a bit of what I call a "weave" more than a wobble, I think if not ridden right it could develop into a wobble/tank slapper. The bike is in the shop now getting a new rear tire and the steering head bearings are being checked and fork oil is being replaced, hoping it goes away or makes it better. I really did not notice it until I got up there in mileage and it's not like the earlier bikes that I've rode they just felt loose to me. It occurs on long high speed sweepers, have felt it on other bikes besides Harley's especially on long wheelbase bikes, I'm aware of it and I know what to expect and I know how to control the throttle to make it a non eventful experince. BTW tight roads I don't have any problems.

Even the 09's have some handling quirks, every vehicle seems to have some.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 04:29 PM
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The first time I felt that wobble I was 2 up and on my way to Blue ridge Hyw. Bike was loaded with luggage and we were rolling along. Bike was New maybe a Month old
was also getting it at very slow speed coming to a stop, took the bike to a dealer down there for it's first service and had them check it. He said the bike was overloaded shock air was low so he made the adjustments necessary and still was bad. Well got rid of the air shocks and added the progressive touring link (link down below) and it has gotten a lot better almost totally gone just. It's a HD thing that they will not correct I think. Just glad hear you made it good luck

http://www.progressivesuspension.com/productlinehd.html
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 04:51 PM
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Last fall I was riding along about 50 with the cruise set and I took both hands off the bars to tuck my gloves into the sleeves when I hit a crack in the road, not big or anything but it was higher on one side than the other, anyway, she went into a little wobble getting bigger and bigger but I easily stopped it with just my hands, no braking.
Took it home, put it on the stand and could find nothing loose, broke, sloppy, nothing.

Now and then I give it the test by slapping one side or the other of the bars and it may do nothing, it may wobble a little and stop on its own or it may do like the first time and wobble more and more. I'm guessing if you let it go it would probably get quite bad and loose control.
Other than that I can take corners with the best of them. Any ideas besides dont take you hands off the bars dummy??
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Me
Last fall I was riding along about 50 with the cruise set and I took both hands off the bars to tuck my gloves into the sleeves when I hit a crack in the road, not big or anything but it was higher on one side than the other, anyway, she went into a little wobble getting bigger and bigger but I easily stopped it with just my hands, no braking.
Took it home, put it on the stand and could find nothing loose, broke, sloppy, nothing.

Now and then I give it the test by slapping one side or the other of the bars and it may do nothing, it may wobble a little and stop on its own or it may do like the first time and wobble more and more. I'm guessing if you let it go it would probably get quite bad and loose control.
Other than that I can take corners with the best of them. Any ideas besides dont take you hands off the bars dummy??
My buddy's '08 Road Glide had exactly the same problem - I checked to make sure you weren't him! He took the bike to the dealer a number of times but the techs couldn't get the bike to wobble. It got so bad it would start to wobble at 40 mph, and this time it wobbled for the techs. They replaced the tires, front and rear, neck bearings and replaced the front rotors. They couldn't identify any particular item as the culprit, but the combination of all the above took care of the problem. His bike handles fine now.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 09:25 PM
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I just keep 'er in the posted limit and found that works.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 09:40 PM
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My 05 standard did it even with a tru track, steering damper and different tires. My 10 is fine.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 11:05 PM
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Things to check
Front motor mount
Depending on your milage it might be the swing arm pivot bushings.

Went thru problems w/ my 05 flht Dealer fought me on it. Let them do the what they said would cure it Steering head bearing adjustment (not covered). They did not want to look at Pivot bushing because was a lot of work and who would pay if they were good. Finally when they looked they were bad. Wow what a difference. I do not think that I ever got the death wobble, but you could feel it on the freeway when the pavment had grooves or slightly different elevations. Not 100% but I think the the "True Track " and others like it could mask potentially worn parts. just my 2 cents. I have also noticed that when tire pressure is off you can notice it.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by toketee
This past Sat. I road with 7 other guys, I hate to say two Victories were ahead of me along with a Glide and a Heritage. We hit a left hit a left hand marked 50mph at 70, everyone went through like they were on rails. My 05 Electra Glide went into a violent wobble that put me right up to the graveled shoulder. I let off some and tire to hold her into the turn, looked real bad for a bit. I was thinking this is really going to hurt, hope I don't get paralyzed. By leaning real hard I made it. The guy behind me on another Heritage pulled up on the side of me and said what the hell was that. I said death wobble, he said it was close to being just that, he didn't think I was going to make the turn. Scdared me real bad, rode the rest of the way home like everyone else except didn't try the hot turns, don't know if I ever will. The wind was blowing, don't know if that was a factor on the batwing.
You have a classic case of the famous bagger wobble. It's well documented and you're correct in getting a brace, it will help fix the problem. Don't listen to the nay sayers, they don't know what they're talking about. A bagger brace will fix this problem. Personally I haven't got one. I put on a center stand on my road glide that uses the piece of frame where the brace would otherwise go. So i do get the wobble sometimes. It normally occurs in a high speed sweeping corner with mild undulations in the road. The bike starts to wobble when it goes over an undulation, a second one will put it into a serious wobble. Usually I will pull back on the outside bar putting the bike into a steeper bank. You have to stay away from that outside shoulder, you don't want to leave the road. lol.
 
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