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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by grbrown
True-Track is not a placebo, but a well engineered solution. I have had them on two bikes over several years and they are a revelation. It's the only way to travel!
True Trak is a placebo, and we go around every thread when it regards this trash. Maintain your bike, learn to ride and learn to react to ridng situations, conditions and senarios. No bolt on snake oil is going to replace skill. Keep drinking the punch but I pass on this.

As I have asked you and the manufacturer how many crashes have you cause by giving a rider a false sense of security, or perceived sense of skill that they do not posses.

As a matter of fact I wonder how many bikes/riders have crash with these unit installed.

Save your money.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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I'm putting one on. Never had the wobble but I don't like the mushy rear end feel on tighter turns when riding two up. It's $130 for the Throttle-Up brace and a simple install, so if it works then that's great, if not then no big deal.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 07:46 AM
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I check everything before taking off, especially tire pressure. I also installed the Straight8 (or something close to that name) which I believe helps, but the biggest thing imho is skill, pick an apex; maintain manageable speed (cruise control off); stay focused; ride at your pace not packs. Remember that the Ultra has fork mounted fairing so wind will affect it. Never had a problem with wobble. Good riding!
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 07:57 AM
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As I say, I know my bike does it and I know when it will do it and I know how to smooth it out but I still don't want it to do it and so will fit a stabilizer. I also agree that making sure the suspension has enough air in it and the tires have the right pressures reduce the effect.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 09:12 AM
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Never had an issue on my '11 SG last year. Is it fixed with the new HD touring frame or not? I do get a low speed wobble when using front brake riding 2 up just before coming to a stop. Rear suspension pressure don't seem to help it.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 09:27 AM
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Yeah when I came over from Sportbikes I was into hot corners with a cruiser until the bike couldnt handle the pitch. Needless to say I started riding the capabilities of the bike not that which I had gotten used to on sportbikes.....valuable lesson.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 09:48 AM
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Dont know about true track being a placebo have never used one, however had a 2004 road glide, with correct tire pressure all adjustments correct low miles with motor mounts and suspension in good order, would wobble in sweepers, felt very uncomfortable, put a bagger brace on problem solved. Bought a 2007 road king, exact same problem new bike, proper settings and tire pressure, installed a bagger brace problem solved. I agree with setting up for a curve at right speed however have ridden all kinds of bikes have traveled 180,000 miles, IMO both of these harleys were unacceptable before the bagger brace. Love the bikes now, were not sure footed prior to the brace being installed, If this is snake oil I will have a double shot, JL
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Loc_Tite
I'm putting one on. Never had the wobble but I don't like the mushy rear end feel on tighter turns when riding two up. It's $130 for the Throttle-Up brace and a simple install, so if it works then that's great, if not then no big deal.
I don't know which bike that you ride, but going one up to two or even loading up the tour-pak requires rear shock pre-load changes on my limited and Road King.

I am 140 lbs and my wife weights 105 lbs.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by leicafish
True Trak is a placebo, and we go around every thread when it regards this trash. Maintain your bike, learn to ride and learn to react to ridng situations, conditions and senarios. No bolt on snake oil is going to replace skill. Keep drinking the punch but I pass on this.

As I have asked you and the manufacturer how many crashes have you cause by giving a rider a false sense of security, or perceived sense of skill that they do not posses.

As a matter of fact I wonder how many bikes/riders have crash with these unit installed.

Save your money.
Take off your ABS placebo then, and learn how to brake properly. Saying what you are saying regarding a stabilizer is just as ridiculous to me as what I just said about ABS must sound to you.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by leicafish
True Trak is a placebo, and we go around every thread when it regards this trash. Maintain your bike, learn to ride and learn to react to ridng situations, conditions and senarios. No bolt on snake oil is going to replace skill. Keep drinking the punch but I pass on this.

As I have asked you and the manufacturer how many crashes have you cause by giving a rider a false sense of security, or perceived sense of skill that they do not posses.

As a matter of fact I wonder how many bikes/riders have crash with these unit installed.

Save your money.
'm not necessarily a cheerleader for the tru track device, but I don't think "placebo" is the correct word. Placebo implies an illusion that makes someone believe they have gained some effect when they actually haven't. All of the stabilizer type devices improve handling to some degree. When it comes to stock touring Harleys, I would say in most cases rider skill far exceeds the limitations of the machine. You can maintain the **** out of a stock configured bike, and after you've applied all of you expert maintenance, it will still have the fundamentally flawed design of a rubber mounted driveline with undesirable articulation characteristics that allow it to momentarily flex out of alignment with the main chassis and create a "wobble". While I agree there is no substitute for skill, and sound riding practices, all the riding skill in the world matched up with a poor handling machine won't overcome the fact that design limitations exist on a stock chassis and suspension. Knowing the limits of your machine and not riding beyond them is a prime key to survival on 2 wheels, riding within the limits of your stock machine is a very reasonable practice; however some people want more out of their bike than stock limitations. Physically improving the handling with any of the currently available "stabilizer" type devices will allow a machine to be operated beyond the limitations of stock bike, so I don't see how that is a false sense of security, especially relative to riding skills. You're well within your rights not to 'drink the punch", but I hope the psychological placebo that you have created for yourself doesn't lure you into a false sense of security to push your machine beyond its very real mechanical limits. I’m a fairly seasoned maintenance technician and I maintain my bike very well, I can attest to the improved handling after installing a stabilizer product, the bike handles better so it can be pushed a little harder, but the bike and I still have limitations, when either are exceeded its an open invitation to a mishap, but a better handling machine doesn’t make me believe I have greater skills than I do. Anyone who believes that a better machine will improve their individual skill is seriously confused and destined to crash anyway, and that whole idea is a completely separate concept, not directly related to improving your machine’s handling with an add on stabilizer device.
 
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