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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 06:49 PM
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Lots of opinions here. But the only thing that really matters are facts. Does ABS make the bike safer, or not? You can argue your personal results all day long, but it's hard to argue with a 37% reduction in fatalities.

That is comparing crashes for the same model bikes, both with and without ABS. Every time this question is raised, there are always those who claim that they can stop faster on a bike without ABS. Maybe so, but how do you explain the cold, hard numbers? Are they wrong, but you are right? Show me the facts, and I will believe.

http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2012/04...cycle-feature/
 

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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bluffalobob
Lots of opinions here. But the only thing that really matters are facts. Does ABS make the bike safer, or not? You can argue your personal results all day long, but it's hard to argue with a 37% reduction in fatalities.

That is comparing crashes for the same model bikes, both with and without ABS. Every time this question is raised, there are always those who claim that they can stop faster on a bike without ABS. Maybe so, but how do you explain the cold, hard numbers? Are they wrong, but you are right? Show me the facts, and I will believe.

http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2012/04...cycle-feature/
I agree with you and have no reason to doubt the numbers in the referenced report. But those numbers are based on the masses, the general motorcycle riding public. And those masses include many riders of varying skill levels.

Riders with exceptional braking skills will benefit significantly less from ABS than a rider with marginal or poor braking skills will benefit. In certain situations ABS can actually be a liability, more often for those with a higher skill level.

For the average rider I agree that ABS is a worthy safety feature - but not for everyone under all circumstances.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 09:08 PM
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Ever had an experience when a crash is inevitable and time seems to slow down to allow for a thousand thoughts to rush through your mind? One of those thoughts may be...maybe I should have got the ABS!
As far as an experienced/skilled rider being outwitted by his own ABS, it happens to all of us on occasion but we should know the limitations of the bike and the system, as well as ride within our own skill level. After having the ABS activate unexpectantly a few times, I think it has made me a safer rider, not pushing the envelope, for lack of a better phrase, like I once did.
If I want to ride all out, I will get a bike without ABS and do it on the track.
An advanced skill level in some instances is not enough, when a panic or unexpected surprise situation arises. Thats where ABS shines.
I agree that we can't argue with statistics.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 09:18 PM
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I'm gonna go against the trend. I wont use ABS. I've been riding 40 years, raced hair scrambles and rode a lot of different bikes. And if I can't go into a controlled slide I don't want it. Skidding sideways and laying it down beats centerpunching the obsticle. That ABS wont help if some.one pulls out last second.

But here's a question. Can you lock up your back wheel if you need to? That would sway my decision. And I already don't expect a lot of you to agree or understand my reasoning. If you haven't ridden dirt bikes than the thought of skidding sideways probably never was a thought when it comes.to avoiding something.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RFG
That ABS wont help if some.one pulls out last second.

But here's a question. Can you lock up your back wheel if you need to? That would sway my decision. And I already don't expect a lot of you to agree or understand my reasoning. If you haven't ridden dirt bikes than the thought of skidding sideways probably never was a thought when it comes.to avoiding something.
Ohh, I AGREE. Hade them on cars and trucks. Great when they worked... Issue they fail... from 1988 till now. Your skill in braking will save you! Don't trust ABS. Your bike maybe a life savior.
 

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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 09:43 PM
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I know I'll never have the skills that Jerry (Motorman) has so I'll admit that abs has saved my ***. In theory threshhold braking skills beat abs. Thought I had those skills until the abs activated at relatively high speed.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 09:45 PM
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At the present time I have 2 bikes a fatboy without abs and a roadglide with abs and I don't think I'd buy another bike without abs. For me it stops better in bad conditions and that's when you need it most.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 10:02 PM
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Don't be lulled in a felling of safety, do to ABS. Older bikes lose the ABS factor over time, just like cars/trucks.

When they fail, it just like old time brakes..... Pump in wet, or just be smart! Use back more, but release often. Stopping will increase!

You have a great system for now. But never be complacent!
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 10:12 PM
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Count me as a big ABS fan. For me, ABS is a deal breaker and my personal choice. I want every advantage I can get. A trip to the ER (or morgue) will be considerably more than the cost of ABS ($1,000). Some riders say they can stop faster w/o ABS and I'm not doubting them, but I'm not superman so I'm going with the ABS. My .02 FWIW.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 10:16 PM
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Pro... It works
Cons.... only way to get it trade bikes
 
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