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Old 04-18-2012, 06:59 PM
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Ouch, just put my 120R in today! Best of luck and yes, would be interested in knowing serial number.
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:10 PM
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This situation sucks in every respect, FLHXHS! I am sorry about what has happened.

Lots of ideas presented here...I would personally attempt cleaning it up and doing a rebuild. But I can do the work myself...no labor costs with the exception of serious 'pissed off and frustration' issues! I don't know your situation in detail...but it sounds as if you did everything right.

Good luck, buddy...I'll be following this thread.

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Post pix. Most likely fixable. This sux, but if you may wish to fix yourself? PM me and I will direct you to a different forum and we can help?


Maybe you can describe what you are talking about. here is a cam chest:




 

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Old 04-18-2012, 07:32 PM
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There isnt any keyways on a twin cam.....
 

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Old 04-18-2012, 07:50 PM
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Here are some pics. It looks like some of the cam and lifter issues that have been seen, but wtf is the piece pulled from the pump? To me it looks like part of piston oiler. With only seeing the pics could it be a double whammy? One issue is the lifter wear and the second is a oiler broke off or came loose and went thru the pump. Poopy can of worms any way you look at it.
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:58 PM
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I say that most of what you are looking at, like the cams, etc, is from jumnk going thru engine. NOT the root cause.

Take a better pic of the mystery piece as I am too old to see it clearly. I COULD be a piece of a piston oiler, I cannot tell.

What do the lifters look like? They 'all there'? I'd rebuild it, but the expensive part will/would be servicing the rod bearings. Looks like at least one cam bearing is toasted for sure. Main bearings are not that big of a deal.
 

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that looks like the ear from the snap ring on the front cam. broke off sucked up by the oil pump, flat spotted the lifter and smoked the front cyl.
 
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that looks like the ear from the snap ring on the front cam. broke off sucked up by the oil pump, flat spotted the lifter and smoked the front cyl.
Good points. Harry just sent me the pics he was sent by the dealer.
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:08 PM
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could be, we don't have a definition of the size of the thing. need better pix
 
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It appears the oil pump injested a bunch of stuff or actually problem started here, Seen outer ring broken in two to three pieces when jammed. For life of me I have never unstood why Harleys pump is aligned as it is and not doweled since alignment appears to be critical. Not sure if alignment is for inner to flat drive is alignment or it alligns inner to outer rotor which is hard to believe is the case. Note also input screens which is why I think problem started with pump if indead yours has screens. I know the return side is the large lower instake hanging down that returns oil to oil reserve tank. You should see some type of screen here. Cams can be doctored if the good is inspect. However like you money would need to tight to resuse. Also note your pressure gage sender unit which surely threw up some red flags on a gage or light (to me light is better then gage since time is not shinning like a light in your off side vision. least mine. Almost like a horn on a outboard. I firieded an inboard when I ran over a large plastic bag because it had gage.. Never have overheated my out board with horn and had it stopped numerious time with grass that I heard warning horn and stopped and cleaned grass off before damage.. If that is a part from the oil jets, it must have come unbolted , moved and the piston cut it off. The two oil jets are visible and easly seen if broken. One on left is unique to 120. right is smaller CI engines
 

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