stage 1 download clarification
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http://www.fuelmotousa.com/powervision.htm, I believe $459 which comes with a map for your bikes current setup, and Jamie will adjust your map and/or provide new maps for free for life.
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You will get 8000 opinions on tuners here, all valid I'm sure, but I do like this thing, as many here do.
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The EFI system is far more complex and intelligent then you're giving credit. Simply adding fuel regardless of whether or not it's necessary does nothing except appeal to the hype of how "dangerously lean" the HD system is from the factory.
Millions of miles have proven that an AFR of 14.6 is not so lean that damage results. FWIW, as EFI came onto the market, many old carb guys thought an AFR of 12.0 or higher was much too lean and would cause engine failure in just a few hundred miles.
Getting other tables set correctly is more important then shooting for some magical AFR number. In fact, until the VE's are correct, the AFR won't be.
You clearly stated you didn't want to hear about tuners and I've refrained from mentioning any. But hey, it's your bike, your money, your future...do as you see fit.
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These two statements make my point. These devices "FOOL" the system into seeing something that is not there. And then the EFI system responds to input that is false by responding in a fashion that will most likely be wrong too. Again, just adding fuel in any cell just for the sake of adding fuel may be the opposite of what the engine needs or the rider desires for results.
The EFI system is far more complex and intelligent then you're giving credit. Simply adding fuel regardless of whether or not it's necessary does nothing except appeal to the hype of how "dangerously lean" the HD system is from the factory.
Millions of miles have proven that an AFR of 14.6 is not so lean that damage results. FWIW, as EFI came onto the market, many old carb guys thought an AFR of 12.0 or higher was much too lean and would cause engine failure in just a few hundred miles.
Getting other tables set correctly is more important then shooting for some magical AFR number. In fact, until the VE's are correct, the AFR won't be.
You clearly stated you didn't want to hear about tuners and I've refrained from mentioning any. But hey, it's your bike, your money, your future...do as you see fit.
The EFI system is far more complex and intelligent then you're giving credit. Simply adding fuel regardless of whether or not it's necessary does nothing except appeal to the hype of how "dangerously lean" the HD system is from the factory.
Millions of miles have proven that an AFR of 14.6 is not so lean that damage results. FWIW, as EFI came onto the market, many old carb guys thought an AFR of 12.0 or higher was much too lean and would cause engine failure in just a few hundred miles.
Getting other tables set correctly is more important then shooting for some magical AFR number. In fact, until the VE's are correct, the AFR won't be.
You clearly stated you didn't want to hear about tuners and I've refrained from mentioning any. But hey, it's your bike, your money, your future...do as you see fit.
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But we're talking about doing this after doing stage 1 mods. Which, if you want to split hairs, are themselves FOOLING the engine and bike into performing differently as well, no? Hence the need to be having this conversation in the first place. So we must compensate for that somehow since, obviously, we are not going to refrain from adding aftermarket stuff to our bikes and trying to get more out them.
I agree the Efi is complex. But modifying what it does and how it does it with a tuner, a download or a device such as the xieds is all still fundamentally the same thing. Youre altering its output to get different results.
Some people need the added adjustment range of the tuners. I, however, am not one of them. I will never go past stage one. No need. The speed limit is 70. I can get there in 6 or so seconds. That's corvette territory. I can live with that. I want a heavy breather purely because they look bad ***. I love my RC slipons. Past that, I just want to be confident that I'm not leaning things to dangerous levels. If the ecu can compensate for that, great. If the xieds will add just a tad more fuel across the board and give me that added piece of mind, even better. and if the download in conjunction with the xieds will modify the timing enough to get a little more benefit im just peachy.
Although I have to admit that the power vision looks appetizing.
I agree the Efi is complex. But modifying what it does and how it does it with a tuner, a download or a device such as the xieds is all still fundamentally the same thing. Youre altering its output to get different results.
Some people need the added adjustment range of the tuners. I, however, am not one of them. I will never go past stage one. No need. The speed limit is 70. I can get there in 6 or so seconds. That's corvette territory. I can live with that. I want a heavy breather purely because they look bad ***. I love my RC slipons. Past that, I just want to be confident that I'm not leaning things to dangerous levels. If the ecu can compensate for that, great. If the xieds will add just a tad more fuel across the board and give me that added piece of mind, even better. and if the download in conjunction with the xieds will modify the timing enough to get a little more benefit im just peachy.
Although I have to admit that the power vision looks appetizing.
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I've done AC and Slip-ons on my past three bikes with the HD download on all three. Been very happy with the results. If you are looking down the road to do any motor work or any other mods I'd agree with most the download is a bad way to spend money. BUT if you are looking to change the looks of your AC and toss on some slip-ons for better sound I'd say go for the download. Bike runs cooler and runs better IMO. The download is considered a part so if you have a dealership that gives discounts on parts the download would aply to that discount program.
Good luck with your choice.
Ride safe.
T
Good luck with your choice.
Ride safe.
T
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http://www.fuelmotousa.com/powervision.htm, I believe $459 which comes with a map for your bikes current setup, and Jamie will adjust your map and/or provide new maps for free for life.
Both bikes originally had the HD download for their specific mods. They both run much better now!
I got very good support from both FuelMoto and DynoJet....!
Good luck with your mods...
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