Power Commander V
Elite HDF Member
Joined: Nov 2010
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From: Simi Valley, CA
This comment is a little off-track from the others but one of the OPs observations struck me as a little funny...
"Throttle response much improved. I can actually pratice the friction zone now."
I never knew "frying your clutch" was a desired feature of any tuner.
"Throttle response much improved. I can actually pratice the friction zone now."
I never knew "frying your clutch" was a desired feature of any tuner.
Tourer
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 369
Likes: 3
From: Hoisington Ks
Installeed PCV on a 04 V-Rod of my buddys, one of the Retrofit models from FM. His bike is an all out drag bike, and they had NO MAP close to his setup. Set it up with Autotune.
First day out at the strip, he picked up.75 seconds on his 1/4 times, could not get his laptop to communicate with the bike. Went over the following week with my laptop, no problems, saved the trims, 18-20% though the big middle that he was stumbling. Tried to turn up the RevExtender, you need a password.
After an afternoon on the phone with FM and DynoJet handed him a form to fill out, got to list VIN of bike, Vin on motor, all mods to bike, that it is NOT for steet use, sign and fax back. Liability to clear them of any damage to the motor. Whne he gets the password I'll bump up the RevExtend.
With the higher RPM's and another trim save, he will be running right where he wants to!
PCV may be dated, but it is a good tuner, easy to use and this is for MOST everybody out there. I have not looked at the PV tuner, don;t need to, it is capable of autotuning with a little help.
My bike, an 09 FLHTP w/ Stage one, with FM map is spot on! I bought the PCV with all intentions of adding Autotune but cannot for the life of me seeing $300 inprovement with autotune over FM map. Don't think it would help when I change the cams to SE255's.
Maybe I can borrow his Autotune, get some riding in before the tracks open next spring and see some improvement!
Don't dog the PCV, it is a great tuner, capable of Autotune that 90% of the bikes out there could use.
Dan B.
Central Ks.
First day out at the strip, he picked up.75 seconds on his 1/4 times, could not get his laptop to communicate with the bike. Went over the following week with my laptop, no problems, saved the trims, 18-20% though the big middle that he was stumbling. Tried to turn up the RevExtender, you need a password.
After an afternoon on the phone with FM and DynoJet handed him a form to fill out, got to list VIN of bike, Vin on motor, all mods to bike, that it is NOT for steet use, sign and fax back. Liability to clear them of any damage to the motor. Whne he gets the password I'll bump up the RevExtend.
With the higher RPM's and another trim save, he will be running right where he wants to!
PCV may be dated, but it is a good tuner, easy to use and this is for MOST everybody out there. I have not looked at the PV tuner, don;t need to, it is capable of autotuning with a little help.
My bike, an 09 FLHTP w/ Stage one, with FM map is spot on! I bought the PCV with all intentions of adding Autotune but cannot for the life of me seeing $300 inprovement with autotune over FM map. Don't think it would help when I change the cams to SE255's.
Maybe I can borrow his Autotune, get some riding in before the tracks open next spring and see some improvement!
Don't dog the PCV, it is a great tuner, capable of Autotune that 90% of the bikes out there could use.
Dan B.
Central Ks.
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,258
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From: Jackson, Ohio
Yes it's true that you do not have to dyno them, but most((including myself) think that for an optimal tune that you probably should.
For a stage 1 though, no dyno is necessary, however for a stage 1 with cams, you are generally better off getting a dyno, not always but most of the time.
Been there, done that myself.
Then again you can try and "wing it" w/out a dyno and again you may do alright and have no issues, but again for optimal performance you probably should do a dyno.
I doubt many on this forum will disagree with this..
I'm sure there will be a few though..
For a stage 1 though, no dyno is necessary, however for a stage 1 with cams, you are generally better off getting a dyno, not always but most of the time.
Been there, done that myself.
Then again you can try and "wing it" w/out a dyno and again you may do alright and have no issues, but again for optimal performance you probably should do a dyno.
I doubt many on this forum will disagree with this..
I'm sure there will be a few though..
Stage 1 with cams is considered stage 2. Both TTS and SEPST offer base maps for several stages from 1 to 4 and with the auto tune feature, you can finish the tuning yourself.
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,258
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From: Jackson, Ohio
I knew commenting on the PCV would bring the "not so informed" followers of the dated tuner but maybe someone will pay attention and spend their money more wisely in the future.
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 56,052
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From: Western South Dakota
No, what's unbelievable is your lack of ability to comprehend the value of a good dyno-tuner.
Cruiser
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 207
Likes: 0
From: Illinois
I am not probably as well informed as some of you, but I used a PCV for my 05 Deluxe while I had it and as far as I could see the preprogrammed map worked great (power and fuel economy were both good). The 07 springer that I have now has a PCIII in it and I think the gas milage could be improved, but the system came with the bike and I haven't dealt with it yet (don't know if I will).
Cruiser
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 137
Likes: 1
From: Arkansas
Well, I ordered a PC-V and had to send back because it was a bad unit. I'm waiting on my new one now so I can not speak to the tunning aspects of the arguement. I am starting to second guess my purchase though. I shall find out soon what if any difference it made.
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Joined: Aug 2012
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From: Indiana, USA
I have the USB III on my '03 and like it so well I purchased the PCV for my '12. I do my own work, I do my own tuning, and to date the off the net program for my '12 build is working great. I did purchase a set of Power Duals for an '09 which have the 18mm bungs for the Autotune if I think I need tyo go there. As of now I am doing OK no ping, good MPG, more torque and HP and less heat. Is it perfect, maybe not but it is a lot better than it was and I don't need anyone to help me modify it. If I want perfect I will get the Autotune and use the closed loop feedback to make the tune better. Again, no dyno, no need to visit a dealership or tuner. The money I invest in the hardware I am familiar with and can use is more than offset by the cost for a tuner & dyno time.
'03 EG Classic, 10.4:1, 211 Cams, Performance Heads, V&H True Duals and Monster Ovals, PC USB III
'12 EG Limited, V&H Power Duals and Monster Rounds, PCV
'03 EG Classic, 10.4:1, 211 Cams, Performance Heads, V&H True Duals and Monster Ovals, PC USB III
'12 EG Limited, V&H Power Duals and Monster Rounds, PCV
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