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Not true.
We grew up with cars that maybe lasted 100,000 miles. Now 200,000 is more the norm. ( My wife's 2006 Altima just turn 130,000 miles and only needed a crankshaft sensor ( $30,) at 100,000 miles. Still runs rattle free and uses no oil.)
Harley makes them cheap now because on average they don't get ridden much. The new management recognizes this. If Harley made cars, they'd be out of business. Remember the Yugo?
Harley survives because (and only because,) it has a captive audience.
We grew up with cars that maybe lasted 100,000 miles. Now 200,000 is more the norm. ( My wife's 2006 Altima just turn 130,000 miles and only needed a crankshaft sensor ( $30,) at 100,000 miles. Still runs rattle free and uses no oil.)
Harley makes them cheap now because on average they don't get ridden much. The new management recognizes this. If Harley made cars, they'd be out of business. Remember the Yugo?
Harley survives because (and only because,) it has a captive audience.
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But the difference in Quality in my 2000 vs the new bikes from the standpoint of cheapening the product is just over the top IMO.
They are now shipping. I have sent out the new design to many of you guys that have been on back order. I will be getting more next week and I am still accepting pre-orders for the next batch. Here's a picture of the new 1023 and preload instructions. The new design has 5-10% slower bleed rate than the previous design, part of the top of the lifter has been removed for pushrod installation and lifter block cover clearance issues, the anti-rotation flat is longer and the oil hole in the cup is larger. Thanks guys and enjoys these great lifters.
Here is a new GP 1023 compared to a stock lifter.
Last edited by $tonecold; Mar 31, 2013 at 04:08 PM.
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Thank a forum member named djl ( who has probably forgotten more than I'll ever learn when it comes to engine building.) He's the one that suggested them to me. Good enough for an LS 1, good enough for my Harley.
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I have ordered a set of Gaterman's new GP 1023 lifters to install with Wood 777 cams in the near future. I have always found Wood cams to be noisy because of the aggressive ramps (although they are not the only ones and maybe not the loudest) so I thought some extra precaution with the Gatermans might be in order. The design of the Gatermans looks superior to others.
Where do you buy them online? Unless I missed it, Gaterman doesn't sell them on their website......
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Did you use adjustable push rods...and if so...how much preload from zero lash?
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Yeah, new cams and lifters yesterday with S&S Quickee adjustable pushrods. I installed travel limiters in the lifters so I'm just 1 1/2 flats off bottom.
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Those travel limiters and the extreme preload on the lifters may be causing your noise. 1.5 flats is only about .007, so not much room for the hydraulics of the lifter to buffer the valve spring tension. Remember that a typical piece of copy paper is nearly .005 in thickness. Heck, I am no mechanic, but you are just this side of running solid lifters with that setup. Maybe run them for a while then go back and remove the travel limiters, set preload from no lash down to .100 (that's about 20 flats) and try it then. Maybe it will soften and tone down the noise quite a bit.
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I'm with Low Country Joe on this one. Why in the world would you install limiters with the 48cams? May 625 lift cams but not the 48's. I've never heard anything bad about Gaterman's.