12 Street Glide, EITMS and Power Commander V
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12 Street Glide, EITMS and Power Commander V
I've been having issues with my 12 SG not running well at times since installing a PC-V.
At the time, I had no other mods on the bike and when the bike warmed up, it seemed to only be firing on one cylinder. It was the dead of winter so I don't believe the EITMS was the culprit but who knows. I deactivated the EITMS and it still did it! The original PC-V has been replaced with another and yesterday, for the first time, it happened again. Pulling away from a traffic light in 90+ degree heat after riding the bike for about 10 mins, it sputtered and stalled. Just like it did in March. I coasted to the side of the road. The bike would not start and the smell of raw gas was present in the exhaust. I disconnected the PC-V and she fired right up and away I went. Got home reinstalled the PC-V and it did it again today while accelerating up an entrance ramp. Pulled over, disconnected the PC-V, plugged the O2 sensors back in and she fired right up and away I went.
A couple questions for anyone with an answer... please help!!!
On the 2012 SG with a PCV, once the EITMS is turned off, does it stay off until it is manually turned back on?
Known issues with late model touring bikes with PCV when you get on the throttle hard?
I have others on other bikes I have and they rock so... I'd like my SG to rock as well!
I'm going to try it with a zero map to see if it continues, but in the meantime, any thoughts on the matter?
Thanks in advance!
At the time, I had no other mods on the bike and when the bike warmed up, it seemed to only be firing on one cylinder. It was the dead of winter so I don't believe the EITMS was the culprit but who knows. I deactivated the EITMS and it still did it! The original PC-V has been replaced with another and yesterday, for the first time, it happened again. Pulling away from a traffic light in 90+ degree heat after riding the bike for about 10 mins, it sputtered and stalled. Just like it did in March. I coasted to the side of the road. The bike would not start and the smell of raw gas was present in the exhaust. I disconnected the PC-V and she fired right up and away I went. Got home reinstalled the PC-V and it did it again today while accelerating up an entrance ramp. Pulled over, disconnected the PC-V, plugged the O2 sensors back in and she fired right up and away I went.
A couple questions for anyone with an answer... please help!!!
On the 2012 SG with a PCV, once the EITMS is turned off, does it stay off until it is manually turned back on?
Known issues with late model touring bikes with PCV when you get on the throttle hard?
I have others on other bikes I have and they rock so... I'd like my SG to rock as well!
I'm going to try it with a zero map to see if it continues, but in the meantime, any thoughts on the matter?
Thanks in advance!
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From: Springfield Ohio
My first thought centers on your "... no other mods" statement. If the bike still doesn't have any other mods, it probably shouldn't have the PC-v either. The map loaded on the tuner should be matched to the components you currently have installed and is largely designed to enrich the air/fuel ratio to compensate for a system that flows freer than factory.
If, instead, you do have performance mods installed and the correct map on the tuner, you may want to check the pins on the connectors. Several owners have mentioned having to clean the pins and apply a light film of dielectric grease to address similar issues. This can apply to pretty much any connector on the bike.
Hope this helps.
If, instead, you do have performance mods installed and the correct map on the tuner, you may want to check the pins on the connectors. Several owners have mentioned having to clean the pins and apply a light film of dielectric grease to address similar issues. This can apply to pretty much any connector on the bike.
Hope this helps.
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I had a PCV on my 09 for about a year. It would routinely stall the engine when it was hot and the engine management system kicked on. Usually it was a combination of an abrupt throttle input on my part, the engine management system being on, and the PCV.
I actually talked to someone from Power Commander over the phone and they pretty much said it was a known flaw. I removed it and did the stage one download at the dealer and have been happy ever since.
Many folks have good luck with the Power Commanders. I didn't.
I actually talked to someone from Power Commander over the phone and they pretty much said it was a known flaw. I removed it and did the stage one download at the dealer and have been happy ever since.
Many folks have good luck with the Power Commanders. I didn't.
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Still need help...
Thanks Bass... I've used PCIII and PCV on all of my bikes over the years, every one of them bone stock to start and the first thing I have done to each was to install a PC (or a re-jet in the carb case). Every new bike out of the crate was tuned for emissions standards not performance, so either a re-jetting or PC, was necessary to make it run right for lack of a better phrase.
When I first installed the PCV on my 12 SG, there were no mods. I used PC's stock/stock PCV map. When bike ran, it ran great. a noticable difference in performance and fuel economy over it's performance (or lack thereof... Lol) before thenPCV. When the stalling occurred, I did some troubleshooting with the folks from Dynojet. They were fantastic. the stalling and rough idle occurred with the stock/stock and also with the zero map. The folks at Dynojet recommended I change the unit out which I did. I haven't had much riding time so in the meantime, I've decatted the head pipe and added the SE Heavy Breather with the appropriate map loaded and the issue occurs again.
Simply, the map loaded in the tuner has matched the components I had/have installed. So to the pins I go... Everything appears true, dielectric grease in connector from day 1. Still happening! Ugh!!!
I've seen a thread or two about the compatibility of the PCV with the EITMS. Wondering if there is an incompatibility issue? I think it's doubtful as there are so many PCVs on Touring models out there, some of which I installed.
Thanks again!
Anyone else?
Anyone else around with a similar issue?
When I first installed the PCV on my 12 SG, there were no mods. I used PC's stock/stock PCV map. When bike ran, it ran great. a noticable difference in performance and fuel economy over it's performance (or lack thereof... Lol) before thenPCV. When the stalling occurred, I did some troubleshooting with the folks from Dynojet. They were fantastic. the stalling and rough idle occurred with the stock/stock and also with the zero map. The folks at Dynojet recommended I change the unit out which I did. I haven't had much riding time so in the meantime, I've decatted the head pipe and added the SE Heavy Breather with the appropriate map loaded and the issue occurs again.
Simply, the map loaded in the tuner has matched the components I had/have installed. So to the pins I go... Everything appears true, dielectric grease in connector from day 1. Still happening! Ugh!!!
I've seen a thread or two about the compatibility of the PCV with the EITMS. Wondering if there is an incompatibility issue? I think it's doubtful as there are so many PCVs on Touring models out there, some of which I installed.
Thanks again!
Anyone else?
Anyone else around with a similar issue?
My first thought centers on your "... no other mods" statement. If the bike still doesn't have any other mods, it probably shouldn't have the PC-v either. The map loaded on the tuner should be matched to the components you currently have installed and is largely designed to enrich the air/fuel ratio to compensate for a system that flows freer than factory.
If, instead, you do have performance mods installed and the correct map on the tuner, you may want to check the pins on the connectors. Several owners have mentioned having to clean the pins and apply a light film of dielectric grease to address similar issues. This can apply to pretty much any connector on the bike.
Hope this helps.
If, instead, you do have performance mods installed and the correct map on the tuner, you may want to check the pins on the connectors. Several owners have mentioned having to clean the pins and apply a light film of dielectric grease to address similar issues. This can apply to pretty much any connector on the bike.
Hope this helps.
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I think the fault is in the part which when removed...the bike runs.... but you could check for any codes.
here's what HD says about EITMS- of interest are the parts in bold:
EITMS will activate (rear cylinder will turn off) when all of the following conditions are met:
NOTE:
Refer to position 6 in the VIN Breakdown Harley-Davidson VIN Breakdown: 2012 Touring Models to identify configuration calibration.
Engine temperature exceeds 284 °F 140 °C (all except configuration J and L) or 324 °F 162 °C (configuration J and L only)
Twist grip opening is at idle
Vehicle speed under 1 mph 2 km/h
Engine speed under 1200 rpm
EITMS will disable (rear cylinder will again fire) if any one of the following occurs:
Engine temperature falls below 275 °F 135 °C (all calibrations)
Twist grip opening is above idle
Vehicle speed exceeds 2 mph 3 km/h
Engine speed exceeds 1350 rpm
Clutch is released with vehicle in gear
here's what HD says about EITMS- of interest are the parts in bold:
EITMS will activate (rear cylinder will turn off) when all of the following conditions are met:
NOTE:
Refer to position 6 in the VIN Breakdown Harley-Davidson VIN Breakdown: 2012 Touring Models to identify configuration calibration.
Engine temperature exceeds 284 °F 140 °C (all except configuration J and L) or 324 °F 162 °C (configuration J and L only)
Twist grip opening is at idle
Vehicle speed under 1 mph 2 km/h
Engine speed under 1200 rpm
EITMS will disable (rear cylinder will again fire) if any one of the following occurs:
Engine temperature falls below 275 °F 135 °C (all calibrations)
Twist grip opening is above idle
Vehicle speed exceeds 2 mph 3 km/h
Engine speed exceeds 1350 rpm
Clutch is released with vehicle in gear
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Seems like a match...
This seems to be a pretty close match to my situation.
Thanks for your input.
Thanks for your input.
I had a PCV on my 09 for about a year. It would routinely stall the engine when it was hot and the engine management system kicked on. Usually it was a combination of an abrupt throttle input on my part, the engine management system being on, and the PCV.
I actually talked to someone from Power Commander over the phone and they pretty much said it was a known flaw. I removed it and did the stage one download at the dealer and have been happy ever since.
Many folks have good luck with the Power Commanders. I didn't.
I actually talked to someone from Power Commander over the phone and they pretty much said it was a known flaw. I removed it and did the stage one download at the dealer and have been happy ever since.
Many folks have good luck with the Power Commanders. I didn't.
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On the money...
You are right on the money! I believe you're correct that the fault lies in the PC-V. I'll go even one step further, I've installed 10+ PCs in the past few years and never had an issue on any bike, Touring models included. Another reason I'm in agreement is that the issue occurs with two different units in the bike and stopped happening when the PC-V was disconnected.
No codes present other than the O2 Sensor codes from unplugging sensor connections with PC-V installed.
Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it!
No codes present other than the O2 Sensor codes from unplugging sensor connections with PC-V installed.
Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it!
I think the fault is in the part which when removed...the bike runs.... but you could check for any codes.
here's what HD says about EITMS- of interest are the parts in bold:
EITMS will activate (rear cylinder will turn off) when all of the following conditions are met:
NOTE:
Refer to position 6 in the VIN Breakdown Harley-Davidson VIN Breakdown: 2012 Touring Models to identify configuration calibration.
Engine temperature exceeds 284 °F 140 °C (all except configuration J and L) or 324 °F 162 °C (configuration J and L only)
Twist grip opening is at idle
Vehicle speed under 1 mph 2 km/h
Engine speed under 1200 rpm
EITMS will disable (rear cylinder will again fire) if any one of the following occurs:
Engine temperature falls below 275 °F 135 °C (all calibrations)
Twist grip opening is above idle
Vehicle speed exceeds 2 mph 3 km/h
Engine speed exceeds 1350 rpm
Clutch is released with vehicle in gear
here's what HD says about EITMS- of interest are the parts in bold:
EITMS will activate (rear cylinder will turn off) when all of the following conditions are met:
NOTE:
Refer to position 6 in the VIN Breakdown Harley-Davidson VIN Breakdown: 2012 Touring Models to identify configuration calibration.
Engine temperature exceeds 284 °F 140 °C (all except configuration J and L) or 324 °F 162 °C (configuration J and L only)
Twist grip opening is at idle
Vehicle speed under 1 mph 2 km/h
Engine speed under 1200 rpm
EITMS will disable (rear cylinder will again fire) if any one of the following occurs:
Engine temperature falls below 275 °F 135 °C (all calibrations)
Twist grip opening is above idle
Vehicle speed exceeds 2 mph 3 km/h
Engine speed exceeds 1350 rpm
Clutch is released with vehicle in gear
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I've been having issues with my 12 SG not running well at times since installing a PC-V.
At the time, I had no other mods on the bike and when the bike warmed up, it seemed to only be firing on one cylinder. It was the dead of winter so I don't believe the EITMS was the culprit but who knows. I deactivated the EITMS and it still did it! The original PC-V has been replaced with another and yesterday, for the first time, it happened again. Pulling away from a traffic light in 90+ degree heat after riding the bike for about 10 mins, it sputtered and stalled. Just like it did in March. I coasted to the side of the road. The bike would not start and the smell of raw gas was present in the exhaust. I disconnected the PC-V and she fired right up and away I went. Got home reinstalled the PC-V and it did it again today while accelerating up an entrance ramp. Pulled over, disconnected the PC-V, plugged the O2 sensors back in and she fired right up and away I went.
A couple questions for anyone with an answer... please help!!!
On the 2012 SG with a PCV, once the EITMS is turned off, does it stay off until it is manually turned back on?
Known issues with late model touring bikes with PCV when you get on the throttle hard?
I have others on other bikes I have and they rock so... I'd like my SG to rock as well!
I'm going to try it with a zero map to see if it continues, but in the meantime, any thoughts on the matter?
Thanks in advance!
At the time, I had no other mods on the bike and when the bike warmed up, it seemed to only be firing on one cylinder. It was the dead of winter so I don't believe the EITMS was the culprit but who knows. I deactivated the EITMS and it still did it! The original PC-V has been replaced with another and yesterday, for the first time, it happened again. Pulling away from a traffic light in 90+ degree heat after riding the bike for about 10 mins, it sputtered and stalled. Just like it did in March. I coasted to the side of the road. The bike would not start and the smell of raw gas was present in the exhaust. I disconnected the PC-V and she fired right up and away I went. Got home reinstalled the PC-V and it did it again today while accelerating up an entrance ramp. Pulled over, disconnected the PC-V, plugged the O2 sensors back in and she fired right up and away I went.
A couple questions for anyone with an answer... please help!!!
On the 2012 SG with a PCV, once the EITMS is turned off, does it stay off until it is manually turned back on?
Known issues with late model touring bikes with PCV when you get on the throttle hard?
I have others on other bikes I have and they rock so... I'd like my SG to rock as well!
I'm going to try it with a zero map to see if it continues, but in the meantime, any thoughts on the matter?
Thanks in advance!
You have a bad map. You probably got it from fuel moto didn't you.
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I am here in search of answers; I have a 2010 Ultra and the bike has pretty much had a PCV on it since it was broke in, bike now has 24,000 miles on it (details in the signature) and today I fired it up and it sounds like it's running on one cylinder, smells like unburned fuel and the throttle by wire doesn't work. I disconnected the PCV and it runs fine (I won't ride it without a tuner, have done quite a bit of changes to the A/F ratio). Wondering has anybody else had any of these symptoms, replaced the PCV and had the problem go away? The throttle by wire seems pretty strange to me but also a pretty obvious symptom that others may have experienced.
