Hayden at 3000 miles
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From: Annemasse (border of Geneva-Switzerland) facing Mt-Blanc.
Yes it had a little up and down movement about 3'16" now it's about 3/8".
I didn't see any metal particles in the oil, the drain plug had a little but to me that's normal. I did not start the bike up but I pushed up and down on the top chain and that made the Hayden move like it should. The top of the chain is still way to tight even with all this wear on the shoe.
Kathy from Hayden said she will come on here and look at the pic and comment on it. When I get the new shoe she is sending me I would like to do something like 'Expat1' did, I would like to soften up the 2 springs somehow. I will try to Search out his Thread. I hope it's something that only needs common tools.
I didn't see any metal particles in the oil, the drain plug had a little but to me that's normal. I did not start the bike up but I pushed up and down on the top chain and that made the Hayden move like it should. The top of the chain is still way to tight even with all this wear on the shoe.
Kathy from Hayden said she will come on here and look at the pic and comment on it. When I get the new shoe she is sending me I would like to do something like 'Expat1' did, I would like to soften up the 2 springs somehow. I will try to Search out his Thread. I hope it's something that only needs common tools.
Try to purchase a 'high speed punch' ejector spring with equivalent characteristics to the standard compression spring that comes with the unit. Ejector springs have both ends cut in a special way and will not break due to fatigue like the example that was published a few days ago.
My small spring was too long for its recess/well, so I bored the shoe to compensate the length but chose not use it.
When you use two springs instead of only one of equivalent force you get a faster response. My choice was to limit the travel of the shoe, not be frequency dependent and reach the 'bottom' position with limited effort to offer a fixed position and no risk of over-tensioning.
Subscribing, I bought the Hayden after all the rave reviews that were posted months ago, I looked at the Baker and though I know Baker makes great trannys I decided to go with the Hayden since it has springs, anyway it's still sitting in my garage, but I had planned to install it before riding to Utah at the end of the month.
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From: Canada
Subscribing, I bought the Hayden after all the rave reviews that were posted months ago, I looked at the Baker and though I know Baker makes great trannys I decided to go with the Hayden since it has springs, anyway it's still sitting in my garage, but I had planned to install it before riding to Utah at the end of the month.
Thanks for the info
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From: Lansing mi
I believe he[ Expat1] eliminated the inner spring and may have shortened the outside spring to provide complete compression. I opted for the softer springs and took off approx. 1 coil off each spring which allowed the shoe to completely compress. I also block sanded the bottom of the shoe to give me a bit more travel. After my mods the Hayden provides good tension and it's easier to find neutral. I'm very happy with the results. Try https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...-pictures.html for more.
I wish I could get springs just a bit softer, but I don't have the tools or knowledge to mod the sprigs like you and Expat1 did.
I'm still waiting for Kathy to come on here and comment on the pic I put up. Hayden and Kathy are trying to help and I think that's cool.
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From: Long Island NY
Thanks for the link but that was info overload for me.
I wish I could get springs just a bit softer, but I don't have the tools or knowledge to mod the sprigs like you and Expat1 did.
I'm still waiting for Kathy to come on here and comment on the pic I put up. Hayden and Kathy are trying to help and I think that's cool.
I wish I could get springs just a bit softer, but I don't have the tools or knowledge to mod the sprigs like you and Expat1 did.
I'm still waiting for Kathy to come on here and comment on the pic I put up. Hayden and Kathy are trying to help and I think that's cool.
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From: decatur texas
im watchin this thread also have an 07 sg was gonna change to hayed my indy told me with his own bike had one on and snapped the springs took it off n went back to stock with the old style bolt and adjustable shoe. so my question is will the 2000 to 2006 inner n outer primary work on 2007 n up motors n trannys the old style with adj teeth n bolt was used for years n years but Harley had to cut a corner to save money on casting inner primary. trying to figure out what to do before I get that problem everyone seems to have. thanks bud
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My 09 classic had around 40k last spring when i got the older type hayden . all my prime oil changes were normal with very little on the magnet. when installing the hayden i got my 1/2 inch play with the thin shim. easy to put in and could pull up and down on the chain with little force and watch the hayden move easily. Noticed less vibration as the hayden took up the shock of the chain, shifts better and no noticable noise anywhere. changed oil at 45k. oil was good color with virtually nothing on the magnet. at 50k i pulled the prime cover to inspect. there was almost no wear marks on the shoe(old type with no machined notch under shoe). every thing looked great, put cover on, filled with rotella 15-40 m/c approved diesel oil(which i have been using since 30k) and rode on. For me I think it works good and doesn,t put excessive pressure on IPB. I think the new one is to stiff after seeing what it does to the shoe and would not use the new springs. Me happy.
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From: Lansing mi
Not sure if Kathy knows this thread exists. She has been comenting on the other thread. Did you advise her that you started a new thread? I contacted Hayden and requested a price for the softer springs and they were kind enough to send them to me no charge. After examining the softer springs and finding that they were to long (IMO)I shortened them with a grinder by grinding them so that I was left with springs less 1 coil and ground flat so they sit level. By shortening the springs you gain full compression with out stressing the springs. It really is fairly simple.
She said I should be fine driving it for a wile till I get the time to install the new one. "Kathy don't forget me"
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From: Lansing mi
Friday night, and I'm not in a good mood.
I just got my bike all back together for 2 days of riding starting Tomorrow morning. My bike is at a buddy's home 12 miles away until we get to move in to a different home closer to Lansing on a paved road. I just got home and I got the new shoe from Hayden, bummer. I looked under the new one and the wear surface is only about 3/16" thick, as you can see in my pic I must be just about all the way through the top of the shoe.
So now I got to get up early and go over and take that damn cover off and take out the Hayden with just under 3000 miles on it and put this new one in so I can ride this weekend.
I sure wish I had a way to soften up the shoe springs in the morning but I won't have the time or the tools to do anything. I'm the leader of the group Tomorrow so I got to be there. Only thing I can do tonight is shave about 1/8" off the bottom of the shoe to make sure i get 3/8" clearance for shoe movement. I will take a pic of the old shoe after I get it off and have my Son come over and up load it.
Well, got to go out now so I can start grinding on my new Hayden.
Kathy, you said you was going to look at the pic I put on here??
I just got my bike all back together for 2 days of riding starting Tomorrow morning. My bike is at a buddy's home 12 miles away until we get to move in to a different home closer to Lansing on a paved road. I just got home and I got the new shoe from Hayden, bummer. I looked under the new one and the wear surface is only about 3/16" thick, as you can see in my pic I must be just about all the way through the top of the shoe.
So now I got to get up early and go over and take that damn cover off and take out the Hayden with just under 3000 miles on it and put this new one in so I can ride this weekend.
I sure wish I had a way to soften up the shoe springs in the morning but I won't have the time or the tools to do anything. I'm the leader of the group Tomorrow so I got to be there. Only thing I can do tonight is shave about 1/8" off the bottom of the shoe to make sure i get 3/8" clearance for shoe movement. I will take a pic of the old shoe after I get it off and have my Son come over and up load it.
Well, got to go out now so I can start grinding on my new Hayden.
Kathy, you said you was going to look at the pic I put on here??