stage 1
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stage 1
what is a stage 1? i have a 2010rk tc 96. i would like for it to run more of a rich mixture. can a stage 1 map change be run without removing cc and changing ac? thanks, tommytailspin
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a "stage 1" is increasing the flow into and out of the motor, then tuning to match.
the intake and the mufflers are somewhat restricted for emissions requirements ( noise emissions), so we open that up- nosier, yes but 7 to 10 horsepower will be gained.
this is the first stage and the best power for $ an owner will realize.
you can get 'richer" mixture a number of ways- but you should figure out what you want and why.
so yes, you can get a "stage 1 map"
"richer" mixture does not mean "more power" it could mean less.
it could also means decreased motor life and driveability problems
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the intake and the mufflers are somewhat restricted for emissions requirements ( noise emissions), so we open that up- nosier, yes but 7 to 10 horsepower will be gained.
this is the first stage and the best power for $ an owner will realize.
you can get 'richer" mixture a number of ways- but you should figure out what you want and why.
so yes, you can get a "stage 1 map"
"richer" mixture does not mean "more power" it could mean less.
it could also means decreased motor life and driveability problems
mike
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a "stage 1" is increasing the flow into and out of the motor, then tuning to match.
the intake and the mufflers are somewhat restricted for emissions requirements ( noise emissions), so we open that up- nosier, yes but 7 to 10 horsepower will be gained.
this is the first stage and the best power for $ an owner will realize.
you can get 'richer" mixture a number of ways- but you should figure out what you want and why.
so yes, you can get a "stage 1 map"
"richer" mixture does not mean "more power" it could mean less.
it could also means decreased motor life and driveability problems
mike
the intake and the mufflers are somewhat restricted for emissions requirements ( noise emissions), so we open that up- nosier, yes but 7 to 10 horsepower will be gained.
this is the first stage and the best power for $ an owner will realize.
you can get 'richer" mixture a number of ways- but you should figure out what you want and why.
so yes, you can get a "stage 1 map"
"richer" mixture does not mean "more power" it could mean less.
it could also means decreased motor life and driveability problems
mike
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When new your bike came with a range of features that enable it to meet EPA regulations, on both noise and exhaust emissions. Those include quiet mufflers, an induction muffler (the air filter housing), air/fuel mapping and cam profiles, possibly even ignition timing. Changing some or all of those will give improved performance, but the air/fuel mapping is important, to give the results it sounds as if you are looking for. Installing a replacement air cleaner, new mufflers and cam, plus remapped ECU would be a good package to go for IMHO.
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As a pilot, I am always adjusting the fuel mixture as I change altitude. Less fuel hotter engine, more fuel cooler engine. However it's not always good to run too rich for extended periods or of course too lean.
As far as your bike motor, a tad bit more of fuel if it's bone stock will cool it down and not hurt it. I am running a 13 Heritage with stock air cleaner and Vance and Hines straight shot slip on mufflers with V-ied's. While it may not give much increase in performance, it does sound better. At 103 cubic inches stock, it has enough power to move you at any state speed limit's and get you noticed by the police if you decide to rebel.
Most people do stage 1's or 3's or 16 to the fifth power because the guy next to them did and they want to keep up with the neighbors.
Another alternative would be to modify the stock exhaust for sound and then get a dyno tune. Probably costing a couple hundred bucks.
Either way you go there is no wrong answer, only fun to be had making it your bike.
As far as your bike motor, a tad bit more of fuel if it's bone stock will cool it down and not hurt it. I am running a 13 Heritage with stock air cleaner and Vance and Hines straight shot slip on mufflers with V-ied's. While it may not give much increase in performance, it does sound better. At 103 cubic inches stock, it has enough power to move you at any state speed limit's and get you noticed by the police if you decide to rebel.
Most people do stage 1's or 3's or 16 to the fifth power because the guy next to them did and they want to keep up with the neighbors.
Another alternative would be to modify the stock exhaust for sound and then get a dyno tune. Probably costing a couple hundred bucks.
Either way you go there is no wrong answer, only fun to be had making it your bike.
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I have a '09 RKC, and did the Stage 1, with a K & N Air cleaner assembly, Bassani fishtail mufflers, and the Screamin Eagle tuner. Had my local Harley dealer dyno tune it, and it was amazing how much smoother, cooler, and a boost in power it achieved. Not to mention it sounds like a Harley now. All said and done, cost about $900.00. Well worth it being the bike was 20K to start, and knowing the set up was done right at the dealer, with a print out to prove it. Go for it!
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I have a '09 RKC, and did the Stage 1, with a K & N Air cleaner assembly, Bassani fishtail mufflers, and the Screamin Eagle tuner. Had my local Harley dealer dyno tune it, and it was amazing how much smoother, cooler, and a boost in power it achieved. Not to mention it sounds like a Harley now. All said and done, cost about $900.00. Well worth it being the bike was 20K to start, and knowing the set up was done right at the dealer, with a print out to prove it. Go for it!
A canned map works just fine
For a stage II, I would say yes for the dyno.
Now if and when you decide to cam you will have to dyno again.
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Meaning:
The scientific notation will be ten to the fifth power. The answer would be 100,000 times the number 16 which is 1,600,000. After you multiply ten to the fifth power and get the 100,000 then you multiply the sixteen.
Now! that would be a BIG ci. motor.
Thing would haul aZZ!
1. A stage I upgrade is when you change the exhaust, air cleaner, and fuel mixture. (simplified terms)
2. You can add fuel without changing anything else. An easy way to do this is to install the FL-VIED which you can see at this LINK. This allows you to add a little more fuel with your stock setup, then add more if you decide to change out the exhaust, and/or air cleaner.
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