Need tuning help and FAST - Plesae
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Need tuning help and FAST - Plesae
Took my Road Glide (06) I just bought from a dealer at a great price into my local dealer - Capital City HD in Tallahassee Friday for some warranty work and I'd also installed a V&H Tru Dual set of pipes with the Slip On Ovals. I told them I wanted to have it dynoed and tuned etc.
I called them back today to chat with the Service Mgr about the tune and what I wanted or expected out of the tune which, I don't think is unrealistic. I basically told him I wanted it tuned for decent gas mileage and low to mid range power since I ride a fair bit two up. His first comment was "hold up, we dyno all the bikes the exact same way and we don't know how to tune a bike to ascertain one certain characteristic i.e. low, midrange or top end power or for decent gas mileage". I was a bit taken back to say the very least. I am a total self proclaimed no nothing about the tuning aspect other than what I expect to get out of it. I need to read "EFI Tuning for Dummies" if it exists. I've done some reading here and there and unless I am totally wrong, I don't think I am being unrealstic in my expectations. He told me "we'll dyno it as we were taught to and adjust the air fuel ratios and map it etc". He told me he'd put the map on a flash drive etc....
Now, are my expectations being unrealistic here or as a Dyno Dummy, am I all wet or? There's another tuner in town that I am seriously considering calling in the morning to book an appt with to get it done there. The dealer is $204 and he's at $250 and money is not an issue. Getting what I want is...
Opionions or suggestions PLEASE and FAST lmao!
Thanks
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I called them back today to chat with the Service Mgr about the tune and what I wanted or expected out of the tune which, I don't think is unrealistic. I basically told him I wanted it tuned for decent gas mileage and low to mid range power since I ride a fair bit two up. His first comment was "hold up, we dyno all the bikes the exact same way and we don't know how to tune a bike to ascertain one certain characteristic i.e. low, midrange or top end power or for decent gas mileage". I was a bit taken back to say the very least. I am a total self proclaimed no nothing about the tuning aspect other than what I expect to get out of it. I need to read "EFI Tuning for Dummies" if it exists. I've done some reading here and there and unless I am totally wrong, I don't think I am being unrealstic in my expectations. He told me "we'll dyno it as we were taught to and adjust the air fuel ratios and map it etc". He told me he'd put the map on a flash drive etc....
Now, are my expectations being unrealistic here or as a Dyno Dummy, am I all wet or? There's another tuner in town that I am seriously considering calling in the morning to book an appt with to get it done there. The dealer is $204 and he's at $250 and money is not an issue. Getting what I want is...
Opionions or suggestions PLEASE and FAST lmao!
Thanks
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RE: Need tuning help and FAST - Plesae
Maybe I can help here. If you want to shoot for maximumpower at a specific rpm range, cam selection is where you might start. If you get big power at 2800 rpm (for example) then you may not have as much at 5000 rpm. Great for towing or cruising with a heavy load but not so good for drag racing. On the other hand, If you want to make big power at 5000 rpm then you will sacrafice lowend torque forcing you to run at higher rpm to make the power you need. Stock cams are an attempt to make everyone somewhat happy but not the very best choice for racing or towing. There just somewhere in the middle.
I am assuming that you are not refering to changing cams and you want your tuner to do the best he can by setting the air/fule ratio and timing. If this is the case, he will be able toachive some gains at the rpm range you are concerned with and at the same time he will look for improvement all the way from idle to wide open throttle. A Power Commander, CERT or whatever you choose to use, will enable the tuner to get the most out of your set up all the way across the rpm scale.
What was the question? I forgot. Must be I talked too long. Hope this helps.
P.S. love my Power Comander
I am assuming that you are not refering to changing cams and you want your tuner to do the best he can by setting the air/fule ratio and timing. If this is the case, he will be able toachive some gains at the rpm range you are concerned with and at the same time he will look for improvement all the way from idle to wide open throttle. A Power Commander, CERT or whatever you choose to use, will enable the tuner to get the most out of your set up all the way across the rpm scale.
What was the question? I forgot. Must be I talked too long. Hope this helps.
P.S. love my Power Comander
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RE: Need tuning help and FAST - Plesae
Thanks Bob and not referring to cams just to tuning to get the most I can out of the bike as I can. I just wanted to get some input to see if this information seemed on the up and up. The answer I got seemed like a "one size fits all" tune and set of adjustments were what I'd get.
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If you want low end power, then true duals are not what you need since the HD crossover system enhances low end torque. That's why I now have a set of true duals for sale - I missed the low end torque. After I have it re-dynoed, I'll share the results. Seat of the pants tells me there's more low end torque since I re-installed the factory setup. The only other way I could have done it was with a 2 into 1 setup. Noise, however, has started to bother me too (old fart ears, I guess).
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RE: Need tuning help and FAST - Plesae
Thanks Bob. I am planning to do a cam change down the road a stretch. I wanted to get rid of the heat issue and clean up the right side of the bike. I was just a bit taken back by what I was told by the dealer. Kind of seems like everyone gets the same tune to me. Granted a dyno is a dyno but they should do a custom map and make the bike run the best it can possibly run with what they've got to work with.
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RE: Need tuning help and FAST - Plesae
ironic...i just talked to a local guy that runs an "aftermarker shop"...not the HD dealer. Anyhow, i was planning on getting just the HD download and he gave me some info on the PC and the HD dl....even showed me the dyno protout from a couple bikes that he recently added a PC. I am also EFI challenged...guess just use to carbs. Anyhow...he was telling me of a recent bike he did that the owner wanted it tuned to run 60-70mph as he did a lot of interstate highway miles and whanted the best performance from that. In a nutshell, he dynoed the bike to get a basline reading, added the PC, set it to pre-set specs, dyno again, then tuned the PC for the load that the dyno put on the bike. Basically tricking the bike into thinking it was running 70mph on the interstate. Then he dailed in that setting into the PC memory. So your dealer is full of SH!!. IMHO.
You can definately tune a PC to whatever type of riding you do.
You can definately tune a PC to whatever type of riding you do.
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Took my Road Glide (06) I just bought from a dealer at a great price into my local dealer - Capital City HD in Tallahassee Friday for some warranty work and I'd also installed a V&H Tru Dual set of pipes with the Slip On Ovals. I told them I wanted to have it dynoed and tuned etc.
I called them back today to chat with the Service Mgr about the tune and what I wanted or expected out of the tune which, I don't think is unrealistic. I basically told him I wanted it tuned for decent gas mileage and low to mid range power since I ride a fair bit two up. His first comment was "hold up, we dyno all the bikes the exact same way and we don't know how to tune a bike to ascertain one certain characteristic i.e. low, midrange or top end power or for decent gas mileage". I was a bit taken back to say the very least. I am a total self proclaimed no nothing about the tuning aspect other than what I expect to get out of it. I need to read "EFI Tuning for Dummies" if it exists. I've done some reading here and there and unless I am totally wrong, I don't think I am being unrealstic in my expectations. He told me "we'll dyno it as we were taught to and adjust the air fuel ratios and map it etc". He told me he'd put the map on a flash drive etc....
Now, are my expectations being unrealistic here or as a Dyno Dummy, am I all wet or? There's another tuner in town that I am seriously considering calling in the morning to book an appt with to get it done there. The dealer is $204 and he's at $250 and money is not an issue. Getting what I want is...
Opionions or suggestions PLEASE and FAST lmao!
Thanks
Boogey Man
Took my Road Glide (06) I just bought from a dealer at a great price into my local dealer - Capital City HD in Tallahassee Friday for some warranty work and I'd also installed a V&H Tru Dual set of pipes with the Slip On Ovals. I told them I wanted to have it dynoed and tuned etc.
I called them back today to chat with the Service Mgr about the tune and what I wanted or expected out of the tune which, I don't think is unrealistic. I basically told him I wanted it tuned for decent gas mileage and low to mid range power since I ride a fair bit two up. His first comment was "hold up, we dyno all the bikes the exact same way and we don't know how to tune a bike to ascertain one certain characteristic i.e. low, midrange or top end power or for decent gas mileage". I was a bit taken back to say the very least. I am a total self proclaimed no nothing about the tuning aspect other than what I expect to get out of it. I need to read "EFI Tuning for Dummies" if it exists. I've done some reading here and there and unless I am totally wrong, I don't think I am being unrealstic in my expectations. He told me "we'll dyno it as we were taught to and adjust the air fuel ratios and map it etc". He told me he'd put the map on a flash drive etc....
Now, are my expectations being unrealistic here or as a Dyno Dummy, am I all wet or? There's another tuner in town that I am seriously considering calling in the morning to book an appt with to get it done there. The dealer is $204 and he's at $250 and money is not an issue. Getting what I want is...
Opionions or suggestions PLEASE and FAST lmao!
Thanks
Boogey Man
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RE: Need tuning help and FAST - Plesae
Thanks Gunrunner. I do have a SERT yes. I called the local indy today and they just don't have the experience with a SERT at all. Totally Power Commander based experience. Tech told me "I've done a couple of them but they are just not as tuneable asa Power Commander - referring to the Race Tuner". Right, okay then so I am having my dealer do it since he's the only game in town. If that doesn't work out, there's a great indy shop but they are about a 4 hour drive and if I've got to go that route, then I'd do it. Time will tell lol.
Thanks for the input. As I said, I am a total EFI newbie lol.
Thanks for the input. As I said, I am a total EFI newbie lol.