Swapping Wood TW222 cams for Andrews 57
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Update to original posting
I started this thread last August and as many of you know I do all my own work on my bikes and since I don't have the labor costs beating me up I have finished with some more upgrades to my SGS.
I have since installed a set of SE CNC ported heads and a +4 degree crank gear. Man o man, now this was a nice improvement! The CNC heads from HD are a great buy if you shop right and for the dollars spent factoring in selling my stock heads it only cost about $450 to swap the heads and another $48 for the +4 gear. Since I have stepped up the performance to the next level I went ahead and deep sixed the factory "c" lifters and installed a set of Woods directional lifters for insurance. I am using the SEPST and I navigate around it pretty well and I am waiting for my local dealer to offer the free dyno run that they do every so often to Chapter members. It should be interesting to see what numbers I get but man does the bike run sweet now. There has been some debate on weather or not a +4 degree gear will have any benefit using the 57 cams and I will tell you, YES, absolutely. It moves the torque band down about 300 RPM's in my experience and you lose very little on the run out. This may be due to head swap but It performs better than expected.
On a final note, after researching I have come to the conclusion that the 57 cam with the +4 gear gives me pretty much a high lift SE204 cam. Once I get the "free numbers" dyno pull done from my dealer I will decided weather to spend the money on a full dyno tune but I am have zero issues with ride-ability or hiccups of any kind. Bike is getting 45-47 cruising below 70 mph and in town about 42. I am very happy. BTW, I used a cometic .045 head gasket.
I have since installed a set of SE CNC ported heads and a +4 degree crank gear. Man o man, now this was a nice improvement! The CNC heads from HD are a great buy if you shop right and for the dollars spent factoring in selling my stock heads it only cost about $450 to swap the heads and another $48 for the +4 gear. Since I have stepped up the performance to the next level I went ahead and deep sixed the factory "c" lifters and installed a set of Woods directional lifters for insurance. I am using the SEPST and I navigate around it pretty well and I am waiting for my local dealer to offer the free dyno run that they do every so often to Chapter members. It should be interesting to see what numbers I get but man does the bike run sweet now. There has been some debate on weather or not a +4 degree gear will have any benefit using the 57 cams and I will tell you, YES, absolutely. It moves the torque band down about 300 RPM's in my experience and you lose very little on the run out. This may be due to head swap but It performs better than expected.
On a final note, after researching I have come to the conclusion that the 57 cam with the +4 gear gives me pretty much a high lift SE204 cam. Once I get the "free numbers" dyno pull done from my dealer I will decided weather to spend the money on a full dyno tune but I am have zero issues with ride-ability or hiccups of any kind. Bike is getting 45-47 cruising below 70 mph and in town about 42. I am very happy. BTW, I used a cometic .045 head gasket.
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Forgot to mention that I also have switched to the FuelMoto 2-1-2 stainless ceramic coated head pipe. And yes, the factory heat shields are a bitch to get lined up over the headpipe. My goal was to make the bike a sleeper, there is very little to give it away from stock besides what looks like a set of slip on mufflers. No SE emblem on the heads or x pipe to let anyone know I have a performance head pipe. I love to see the look on their face when they roll up next to me at the next stop light after a little funin'
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heads?
razor is that the se factory ported heads got not se mva heads
I saw a build on u tube from la harley had se factory ported heads 57 cam .040 head gasket, forgot pipe choice think it was
113 torque and 100 hp , curious how the timing gear will shift the torque curve on dyno
Ive been kind of thinking about re doing mine to this set up or maybe just getting a set of reworked B style heads from fuel moto , i have 10.5-1 and mva heads very drive able but not as smooth at anything under 1500 prm as the heads with smaller ports and valves.
are u going to dyno yours when all done fairly curious how it comes out with the fuel moto pipe, i have harley c lifts boy they suck with higher lift cam.
I saw a build on u tube from la harley had se factory ported heads 57 cam .040 head gasket, forgot pipe choice think it was
113 torque and 100 hp , curious how the timing gear will shift the torque curve on dyno
Ive been kind of thinking about re doing mine to this set up or maybe just getting a set of reworked B style heads from fuel moto , i have 10.5-1 and mva heads very drive able but not as smooth at anything under 1500 prm as the heads with smaller ports and valves.
are u going to dyno yours when all done fairly curious how it comes out with the fuel moto pipe, i have harley c lifts boy they suck with higher lift cam.
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I started this thread last August and as many of you know I do all my own work on my bikes and since I don't have the labor costs beating me up I have finished with some more upgrades to my SGS.
I have since installed a set of SE CNC ported heads and a +4 degree crank gear. Man o man, now this was a nice improvement! The CNC heads from HD are a great buy if you shop right and for the dollars spent factoring in selling my stock heads it only cost about $450 to swap the heads and another $48 for the +4 gear. Since I have stepped up the performance to the next level I went ahead and deep sixed the factory "c" lifters and installed a set of Woods directional lifters for insurance. I am using the SEPST and I navigate around it pretty well and I am waiting for my local dealer to offer the free dyno run that they do every so often to Chapter members. It should be interesting to see what numbers I get but man does the bike run sweet now. There has been some debate on weather or not a +4 degree gear will have any benefit using the 57 cams and I will tell you, YES, absolutely. It moves the torque band down about 300 RPM's in my experience and you lose very little on the run out. This may be due to head swap but It performs better than expected.
On a final note, after researching I have come to the conclusion that the 57 cam with the +4 gear gives me pretty much a high lift SE204 cam. Once I get the "free numbers" dyno pull done from my dealer I will decided weather to spend the money on a full dyno tune but I am have zero issues with ride-ability or hiccups of any kind. Bike is getting 45-47 cruising below 70 mph and in town about 42. I am very happy. BTW, I used a cometic .045 head gasket.
I have since installed a set of SE CNC ported heads and a +4 degree crank gear. Man o man, now this was a nice improvement! The CNC heads from HD are a great buy if you shop right and for the dollars spent factoring in selling my stock heads it only cost about $450 to swap the heads and another $48 for the +4 gear. Since I have stepped up the performance to the next level I went ahead and deep sixed the factory "c" lifters and installed a set of Woods directional lifters for insurance. I am using the SEPST and I navigate around it pretty well and I am waiting for my local dealer to offer the free dyno run that they do every so often to Chapter members. It should be interesting to see what numbers I get but man does the bike run sweet now. There has been some debate on weather or not a +4 degree gear will have any benefit using the 57 cams and I will tell you, YES, absolutely. It moves the torque band down about 300 RPM's in my experience and you lose very little on the run out. This may be due to head swap but It performs better than expected.
On a final note, after researching I have come to the conclusion that the 57 cam with the +4 gear gives me pretty much a high lift SE204 cam. Once I get the "free numbers" dyno pull done from my dealer I will decided weather to spend the money on a full dyno tune but I am have zero issues with ride-ability or hiccups of any kind. Bike is getting 45-47 cruising below 70 mph and in town about 42. I am very happy. BTW, I used a cometic .045 head gasket.
I didn't realize this thread was that old since it popped up in the new posts column.
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Yes the heads are the SE Pro CNC ported heads, not Hurricane, MVA or Kompressor heads. I am waiting to get the free dyno pull from the dealer and then will go from there. My understanding is that I could have went with a .030 head gasket since the pistons were already .010 down in the hole but I didn't want to push the limits. The last thing I wanted is a ping monster. My mileage is great and power is right where I want it now with the gear swap. I have to admit, I am so well pleased that I might just stop where I am and keep it the best of both worlds, reliability and power.
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A dyno tune will definitely be the thing to do
looking forward to the results
What ever were the results?
I am revisiting the 57H
looking forward to the results
What ever were the results?
I am revisiting the 57H
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