Trike Engine Modifications
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I finally found a head pipen for my 2010 tri glide from a 2009 touring bike. I thing I just need to do some minor mods (length?) to make it fit my trike. Should I weld in bungs where my 2010 bungs are? Can I weld them in where the 2009 ones are? I know the 10's are different size and are 4 wire and heated. Plan to buy a Power Coommander 5 with the wide band sensors. Where can I buy the bungs? Don't really plan on cams yet-just want to cool it down.
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I finally found a head pipen for my 2010 tri glide from a 2009 touring bike. I thing I just need to do some minor mods (length?) to make it fit my trike. Should I weld in bungs where my 2010 bungs are? Can I weld them in where the 2009 ones are? I know the 10's are different size and are 4 wire and heated. Plan to buy a Power Coommander 5 with the wide band sensors. Where can I buy the bungs? Don't really plan on cams yet-just want to cool it down.
If you decide to weld bungs in you should be able to find them by doing some web surfing, I found some here http://www.hoganperformance.com/o2_sensor_bungs.htm Placement of the O2 sensors is an issue, if you place them in the exact locations as the stock ones you may have issues with tuning it due to cross talk. The beauty of the head pipe that Fuel Moto is making for the Triglide is they have already done the R&D and designed the pipe to work properly without the catalyst material in it.
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2010 Adapter
The 2010 Adapter's are ready for the 09 XIED's for the touring models.
I ordered the XIED's and the Adapter, I forgot to use the combination order funtion but Stephen caught it and give me the lower price. $20 dollar savings, they seem like good people to work with.
Of course it will be to cold to put them on and test when they arrive but will post the results as soon as the weather breaks!
Will also be interesting to see how these work with the Fuel Motto Pipes!
I still have not found anyone in my area who can dyno a Trike! Will have to try the band aid until someone comes up with a good tuner that can tune a three wheeler!
I ordered the XIED's and the Adapter, I forgot to use the combination order funtion but Stephen caught it and give me the lower price. $20 dollar savings, they seem like good people to work with.
Of course it will be to cold to put them on and test when they arrive but will post the results as soon as the weather breaks!
Will also be interesting to see how these work with the Fuel Motto Pipes!
I still have not found anyone in my area who can dyno a Trike! Will have to try the band aid until someone comes up with a good tuner that can tune a three wheeler!
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I will refer you back to M3's post, he said he sent him a Tri Glide exhaust to set the machinery up to bend them out. This has just recently taken place! Jamie had a change of heart probably because all of us are crying about the performance and the heat, on here!
Quanity of Scale, the economic's may have not been there with a low production unit but Harley has continued the Tri for 2010 and I bet they will be a 2011 model and so on. They punched out more than the 2500 projected for 09 and the 2010 is selling well.
I will deffer to M3 for further comment, the pipes are coming!
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2010 Pipes
I finally found a head pipen for my 2010 tri glide from a 2009 touring bike. I thing I just need to do some minor mods (length?) to make it fit my trike. Should I weld in bungs where my 2010 bungs are? Can I weld them in where the 2009 ones are? I know the 10's are different size and are 4 wire and heated. Plan to buy a Power Coommander 5 with the wide band sensors. Where can I buy the bungs? Don't really plan on cams yet-just want to cool it down.
Must not be because the XIED'S for 09 can be used on the 2010 with an adapter.
If I did home made I would still put the 12mm bungs in the original position to keep from splicing the o2 sensor cables on the longer run. Different connectors also from the 09 to the 2010, thus the need for the adapter for the XIED's.
I did the swiss cheese drill out on account of M3 concerns about cross talk, instead of taking all the cat material out! I wanted to slow the exhaust down a little for the o2's to sample but I think I could have gutted the headpipe. They are fast enough to get a read on the exhaust.
Works great with stock mufflers.
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They are working on one as I type this. I sent them a head pipe off my dads 09 Triglide. I talked to Jamie on the phone and he had not seen a Triglide head pipe until I posted a picture of the one from my 10 Triglide. The information he was originally given from someone was there was a large difference between the 2 wheel bike head pipe and the one for the Triglide. Once he saw the picture he saw the only difference is the connection to the right side muffler is a little longer and has bends in it. He thinks he should be able to make an extension pipe that will allow the usage of the head pipe he is already offering for the 2 wheel bikes to be used on the Triglides. I would expect more will be known within the next few weeks once he has had the time to work with it.
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Is there a large perfomance of temperature difference between using a fuel moto pipe vs modifing a two wheel 09 pipe? There is a huge cost difference.
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Fuel Motto or Modified 09 Tri Pipes
There would be no difference I know of for the stock replacements Fuel Motto is working on, unless Jamie is also working on Tru Duals also. Although to be on the safe side you would be better off talking to Jamie at Fuel Motto. He may have went with a larger diameter of some different configuration if he dyno developed the replacement headpipe.
IMO, I don't think you will get an 09 modified any cheaper once you consider the cost of the 09 Headpipe, the bungs and having the bungs welded in if you are not a welder. I believe Fuel Motto headpipes have both the 09 o2 sensor bungs and the 2010 o2 sensor bungs welded in the correct position.
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Afr
Also if you notice the screen shots M3 POSTED the o2 sensors are active in the idle RPM Range, the lean AFR 14.6 is a large part of our heat problem at IDLE. The Modified or Fuel Motto Head pipes will just get you half way, you will also need to reMAP or tune and get theat AFR richened up in the IDLE RPM range at least. Most our destructive heat is idling in traffic on hot days, you got to get the AFR Richer at idle to see a large difference in idle temperature.
M3 and others are doing the complete fix and changing cams also. I am just doing mine in stages and waiting for conformation on the cam change. Will probabley go that route also if the pipes and XIED's don't get the temperature down enough at Idle.
Also surfing to see if I can get by with a little more aggressive cam on the 2010 103 Cu. In. Engine. The 255's are still a little mild but that may be the limit within the parameters of the EPA ECM the 2010's have if you use the SEPST. 9 deg duation if I'm not mistaken and I would like to go 30 deg if I can.
Out of warranty I believe I can go TTS or PC5 and do a little more agressive cam.
Last edited by coupe55; Jan 9, 2010 at 12:11 PM.